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H110 vs W296
Jan 5th, 2025 at 12:58pm
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After playing with my Darr FBW in 32-40, I'm starting to realize that Ramshot Enforcer may not be the best powder for this cartridge. Using the same case for a match, after 30 ish shots, the case collapses and gets very dimpled about 1/3rd of the way back.

The rifle came with load data for W296 for the Brooks 200gr mold (13.9gr). From what I can see h110 is the same powder? For testing, would it be a 1:1 substitute? Asking because I have h110 on hand
  
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Reply #1 - Jan 5th, 2025 at 1:23pm
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It sounds like you are getting blowback around the case mouth.  You may have work hardened the brass so annealing it may help along with flaring the mouth between shots. I have that issue on rare occasions.  Flaring the mouth and firing again can remove the dents.  I haven’t tried H110 but have used enforcer, 296, 300MP and 4100 in 25 Hornet to 38-55 with good success.  

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bpjack wrote on Jan 5th, 2025 at 1:23pm:
You may Jane work hardened the brass so annealing it may help

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Reply #4 - Jan 5th, 2025 at 2:15pm
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H110/296 are the same powder. If you are at the top end of pressure for a load, treat it like a new lot of powder and back off the charge weight a little. I don’t think your near max pressure with that load.

During the great powder shortage of 2012-16 and purchases were limited, I often bought my limit in both powders. Most of the time it was the same lot number. 
Before all the nonsense I tried to buy 296 as Winchester powders were generally about 10% less in cost than Hodgdon. Same for 231/HP38.
  
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Reply #5 - Jan 5th, 2025 at 3:08pm
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According to Hodgdon’s chief technical guy, H110 and W296 are indeed the same powder.  He is baffled by reloading books that give different loads for the two powders.
  
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Reply #6 - Jan 5th, 2025 at 7:16pm
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GunBum wrote on Jan 5th, 2025 at 3:08pm:
  He is baffled by reloading books that give different loads for the two powders. 


I've posted on this before but, back when they were sold by different company's (Win/Olin vs Hodgdon), The only difference between H110 and Win 296, was that Olin, made it and when sold as 296, it was "Closed Bomb" test by them, before packaging and selling it. 

Hodgdon bought it in bulk, w/o closed bomb testing and sold it as H110. It varied in loading data, because of that. Once Hodgdon got the rights to it, they sell it under different names but, it's the same powder, that's why in all later Hodgdon, it has the exact same pressure and velocity.

I do not know, now that Hodgdon has the rights to it, if Hodgdon close bomb tests it before selling it.

In a strong rifle, you can shoot as much as 15.2 gr, with a 217 gr PB, BSed bullet and get excellent accuracy. I have shot 16.2 gr, with a 187 gr BSed bullet and 1/2" groups @ 100.

It's not primer sensitive either. I have shot 12.5 gr, 208 gr bullet, using F150 pistol primers and got 2.5 SD and 6 fps ES.
  

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Reply #7 - Jan 5th, 2025 at 11:20pm
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frnkeore wrote on Jan 5th, 2025 at 7:16pm:
GunBum wrote on Jan 5th, 2025 at 3:08pm:
  He is baffled by reloading books that give different loads for the two powders. 


I've posted on this before but, back when they were sold by different company's (Win/Olin vs Hodgdon), The only difference between H110 and Win 296, was that Olin, made it and when sold as 296, it was "Closed Bomb" test by them, before packaging and selling it. 

Hodgdon bought it in bulk, w/o closed bomb testing and sold it as H110. It varied in loading data, because of that. Once Hodgdon got the rights to it, they sell it under different names but, it's the same powder, that's why in all later Hodgdon, it has the exact same pressure and velocity.

I do not know, now that Hodgdon has the rights to it, if Hodgdon close bomb tests it before selling it.

In a strong rifle, you can shoot as much as 15.2 gr, with a 217 gr PB, BSed bullet and get excellent accuracy. I have shot 16.2 gr, with a 187 gr BSed bullet and 1/2" groups @ 100.

It's not primer sensitive either. I have shot 12.5 gr, 208 gr bullet, using F150 pistol primers and got 2.5 SD and 6 fps ES.

Awesome info, thanks! I'm using a falling block works model J, so definitely a strong action. I have 3 molds for this rifle, a PJ 180gr flat nose that I've been using enforcer with, did a 2.065" 10 shot group at 200, a 200gr Darr, and a Brooks 195gr that I just cast up 200 of. 

Unfortunately I don't think I'm going to get a chance to test before the next match. One of the targets I have from the previous owner is a 250-10 with 13.9gr of 296. Figured I'd use that for a starting point
  
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marlinguy wrote on Jan 5th, 2025 at 1:50pm:
bpjack wrote on Jan 5th, 2025 at 1:23pm:
You may Jane work hardened the brass so annealing it may help

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Reply #9 - Jan 6th, 2025 at 12:06pm
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It’s just a scratch.  Got any duct tape?
  

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Did you mean to write duck tape?
  

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Reply #11 - Jan 6th, 2025 at 12:33pm
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I shot a lot of H110. Chuck Bordman used to get it off prize tables and winnings. He said it was known to blow rifles up so every time he got a can he gave it to me.

It worked just fine as long as I didn't double charge a case. Be careful or you might wind up with a bent Fecker. Or worse.
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I got no ducks that need taping.  But Duck Tape might fly better.
  

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Reply #13 - Feb 24th, 2025 at 10:49am
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Had our match this weekend, and was my second time using H110. Used 14gr with a Brooks 190 bullet and javelena lube. Things were going great, but on the 8th shot, threw a flyer way out. Shots 9&10 went right back into the group (that's 6 shots in the 25 ring!). Got a bit upset since that blew my best target ever out of the water and went to the second target. Things were going great, then the 6th or 7th shot went high into the 22 ring. I now thinking that H110 is a good power under normal circumstances for the 32-40, but a bit too inconsistent for target shooting
  
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Reply #14 - Feb 24th, 2025 at 1:23pm
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Try changing primers.

I've always used F150's but, try a few different ones.
  

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