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SchwarzStock Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1225 Location: SchwarzWald Joined: Mar 23^rd, 2010	Roller as Feuerstutzen Jan 2^nd, 2025 at 5:35am	Print Post
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LRF Oldtimer Offline Posts: 636 Location: MN Joined: May 8^th, 2010	Re: Roller as Feuerstutzen Reply #1 - Jan 2^nd, 2025 at 6:35am	Print Post
	Don't read German (or whatever it is), or see any English conversion button, so can't tell what it says about the bore. From the pics, only, I see a troubling bore as the rifle has been shot a lot or just not cared for after it was shot. The breech block face is quite eroded from corrosive berdan primers. And I would be curious what other readers think of the hammer marks on the back of the breech block just above the firing pin. They look like one of the previous shooters had to tap home the breech block for whatever reason, to insure clearance for the hammer to fall freely under the BB and hit the firing pin. A common issue with rollers.


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westerner Frequent Elocutionist Offline deleted posts and threads record holder. Posts: 11589 Location: Why, out West of course Joined: May 29^th, 2006	Re: Roller as Feuerstutzen Reply #2 - Jan 2^nd, 2025 at 10:46am	Print Post
	Single shot rifle - target rifle - rolling block Caliber: 9.5x47R steel Barrel length: 722mm Rigid/field profile, partially matt, porous and pitted Heavy hexagonal/round barrel, blued, D20 at the muzzle Diopter sight adjustable in height and side with fine bead System steel Stock: oiled walnut with heel cap, cheek piece, partially checkering, sling swivel Stock length: approx. 32cm Total length: approx. 115cm Weight: approx. 4.3kg Proof: crown/V; B Manufacturer unknown Without serial number Various signs of use/storage, pressure marks and scratches in the stock, system and blueing in good condition, fully functional! Scope of delivery and condition as shown! Some pictures with light reflections! Pictures are part of the auction, later complaints will not be accepted! Sold on behalf of the customer! Noch ein Scheißhaufen

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fishoot Full Member Offline Posts: 136 Location: Folsom, CA Joined: Dec 29^th, 2011	Re: Roller as Feuerstutzen Reply #3 - Jan 2^nd, 2025 at 11:13am	Print Post
	Darn! Christmas is over too...


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westerner Frequent Elocutionist Offline deleted posts and threads record holder. Posts: 11589 Location: Why, out West of course Joined: May 29^th, 2006	Re: Roller as Feuerstutzen Reply #4 - Jan 2^nd, 2025 at 3:25pm	Print Post
	LRF wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2025 at 6:35am: Don't read German (or whatever it is), or see any English conversion button, so can't tell what it says about the bore. From the pics, only, I see a troubling bore as the rifle has been shot a lot or just not cared for after it was shot. The breech block face is quite eroded from corrosive berdan primers. And I would be curious what other readers think of the hammer marks on the back of the breech block just above the firing pin. They look like one of the previous shooters had to tap home the breech block for whatever reason, to insure clearance for the hammer to fall freely under the BB and hit the firing pin. A common issue with rollers. Only a gay Prussian pretzel salter would own an old turd of a rifle like that. Accurate assessment on that one LRF.
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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 16444 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: Roller as Feuerstutzen Reply #5 - Jan 2^nd, 2025 at 8:21pm	Print Post
	Bore does look horrible, but the marks around the breech block don't make sense to me? I'd think if somebody has had issues closing the block on a ill fitting cartridge they'd be hammering on the spur, not down where those nicks and marks are. Those might just be handling marks from it not being properly secured during a travel trip to range or hunt?

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LRF Oldtimer Offline Posts: 636 Location: MN Joined: May 8^th, 2010	Re: Roller as Feuerstutzen Reply #6 - Jan 2^nd, 2025 at 8:59pm	Print Post
	marlinguy wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2025 at 8:21pm: Bore does look horrible, but the marks around the breech block don't make sense to me? I'd think if somebody has had issues closing the block on a ill fitting cartridge they'd be hammering on the spur, not down where those nicks and marks are. Those might just be handling marks from it not being properly secured during a travel trip to range or hunt? As plausible as any I guess. We shall never know but I would be suspicious. In general it's not really a very good gun in the condition it is in.


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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 16444 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: Roller as Feuerstutzen Reply #7 - Jan 3^rd, 2025 at 11:36am	Print Post
	LRF wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2025 at 8:59pm: marlinguy wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2025 at 8:21pm: Bore does look horrible, but the marks around the breech block don't make sense to me? I'd think if somebody has had issues closing the block on a ill fitting cartridge they'd be hammering on the spur, not down where those nicks and marks are. Those might just be handling marks from it not being properly secured during a travel trip to range or hunt? As plausible as any I guess. We shall never know but I would be suspicious. In general it's not really a very good gun in the condition it is in. I like it, but having to have it lined or rebored, and the hassles of buying overseas and shipping here make me not interested.

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jhm Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1595 Location: georgia Joined: Sep 4^th, 2011	Re: Roller as Feuerstutzen Reply #8 - Jan 3^rd, 2025 at 3:33pm	Print Post
	I know what you mean. I just went through an ordeal buying a gun from a man just a few states away. Can't imagine what you would have to do to buy one from overseas... JMH


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GunBum Full Member Offline Posts: 217 Location: SW Missouri Joined: Oct 30^th, 2021	Re: Roller as Feuerstutzen Reply #9 - Jan 3^rd, 2025 at 9:52pm	Print Post
	That is a good looking gun with a bad barrel. It would make a nice project gun. At €200 I’d be interested, but the auction description says only sales to EU countries. There’s a definite ring around the muzzle. I wonder if it has been refined before.


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westerner Frequent Elocutionist Offline deleted posts and threads record holder. Posts: 11589 Location: Why, out West of course Joined: May 29^th, 2006	Re: Roller as Feuerstutzen Reply #10 - Jan 3^rd, 2025 at 11:27pm	Print Post
	A Ballard # 6 rifle would be far more desirable than that worn out misfit of a rolling block. And look a lot better too. In the case of the feuerstutzen rolling block, you can't make a silk purse out of a sows ear. If you want to own junk at least own good junk.

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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 16444 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: Roller as Feuerstutzen Reply #11 - Jan 4^th, 2025 at 11:56am	Print Post
	Ballard #6 are some of the finest Ballard rifles ever made, and the finest Marlin made! But doubt you'll buy one for what a custom Rolling Block costs as they'll go 2 or 3 times that usually! I have 4 Ballard #6 rifles, and the last Schoyen barreled engraved #6 I got from Ron Peterson cost me a pretty penny. But I was happy to pay it for such a great Ballard.

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westerner Frequent Elocutionist Offline deleted posts and threads record holder. Posts: 11589 Location: Why, out West of course Joined: May 29^th, 2006	Re: Roller as Feuerstutzen Reply #12 - Jan 4^th, 2025 at 12:17pm	Print Post
	I forgot to mention living longer. Yes Vall, you are a happier man even though your Ballards cost more. Live long and prosper.

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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 16444 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: Roller as Feuerstutzen Reply #13 - Jan 4^th, 2025 at 5:20pm	Print Post
	westerner wrote on Jan 4^th, 2025 at 12:17pm: I forgot to mention living longer. Yes Vall, you are a happier man even though your Ballards cost more. Live long and prosper. Ballards will always be my first love Joe, but I do have almost as much affection for Remington Hepburn and Rolling Block rifles. But only the Sporting versions.

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westerner Frequent Elocutionist Offline deleted posts and threads record holder. Posts: 11589 Location: Why, out West of course Joined: May 29^th, 2006	Re: Roller as Feuerstutzen Reply #14 - Jan 4^th, 2025 at 6:22pm	Print Post
	Maybe better to start out anew if you want a rolling block Feuerstutzen. This one is 38-55. Showed up at Hamilton one year.

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westerner Frequent Elocutionist Offline deleted posts and threads record holder. Posts: 11589 Location: Why, out West of course Joined: May 29^th, 2006	Re: Roller as Feuerstutzen Reply #15 - Jan 4^th, 2025 at 6:23pm	Print Post
	Mower...

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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 16444 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: Roller as Feuerstutzen Reply #16 - Jan 4^th, 2025 at 6:55pm	Print Post
	I'm not sure I'd call the one that started this topic in the same class as that one Joe! Or even close to the same style. The one you just posted is an amazing example of an exotic offhand rifle! I don't own a Rolling Block scheutzen rifle, but have always wanted one! I may have to just build one up as the few factory Rolling Block scheutzen rifles I've seen were all crazy prices, even in well used condition!

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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 16444 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: Roller as Feuerstutzen Reply #17 - Jan 4^th, 2025 at 6:58pm	Print Post
	marlinguy wrote on Jan 4^th, 2025 at 6:55pm: I'm not sure I'd call the one that started this topic in the same class as that one Joe! Or even close to the same style. The one you just posted is an amazing example of an exotic offhand rifle! I don't own a Rolling Block scheutzen rifle, but have always wanted one! I may have to just build one up as the few factory Rolling Block scheutzen rifles I've seen were all crazy prices, even in well used condition! But I'm puzzled by the title of this thread "feuerstutzen"? Translator comes up as "fire nozzle"???

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westerner Frequent Elocutionist Offline deleted posts and threads record holder. Posts: 11589 Location: Why, out West of course Joined: May 29^th, 2006	Re: Roller as Feuerstutzen Reply #18 - Jan 4^th, 2025 at 7:01pm	Print Post
	I want one too but it would have to be a factory rifle or built like a factory rifle. The rifle I pictured is, well, I thought well crafted but just out of sorts.

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Otony Full Member Offline Posts: 218 Location: Bandon, Oregon Joined: Jun 5^th, 2021	Re: Roller as Feuerstutzen Reply #19 - Jan 4^th, 2025 at 8:34pm	Print Post
	The last one posted is fantastic, but color me ignorant. How do you open the breech? Otony


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westerner Frequent Elocutionist Offline deleted posts and threads record holder. Posts: 11589 Location: Why, out West of course Joined: May 29^th, 2006	Re: Roller as Feuerstutzen Reply #20 - Jan 4^th, 2025 at 8:44pm	Print Post
	Lower the lever. A Pope lever on a German style rolling block. What will they think of next?

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Otony Full Member Offline Posts: 218 Location: Bandon, Oregon Joined: Jun 5^th, 2021	Re: Roller as Feuerstutzen Reply #21 - Jan 4^th, 2025 at 11:04pm	Print Post
	westerner wrote on Jan 4^th, 2025 at 8:44pm: Lower the lever. A Pope lever on a German style rolling block. What will they think of next? Duh, I was staring at the breech block so much I didn’t even notice the lever. No excuse, I’m getting old….


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MrTipUp Frequent Elocutionist Offline Quality is to a product what character is to a man Posts: 1319 Location: Indiana Joined: Feb 19^th, 2020	Re: Roller as Feuerstutzen Reply #22 - Jan 5^th, 2025 at 3:56am	Print Post
	I'm puzzled by the title of this thread "feuerstutzen"? Translator comes up as "fire nozzle"??? As often happens, the translator software is being too literal. "Stutzen" is a collective, generic term for a "short rifle"/"carbine". A "feuerstutzen" or "Feuer Stutzen" is generally speaking a single shot rifle meant for informal target shooting. It usually has target-type sights, often a finger rest-type lever, and in Germany is most popularly chambered for the 8.15 x 46R cartridge. Bill Lawrence


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SchwarzStock Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1225 Location: SchwarzWald Joined: Mar 23^rd, 2010	Re: Roller as Feuerstutzen Reply #23 - Jan 5^th, 2025 at 8:40am	Print Post
	LRF wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2025 at 6:35am: Don't read German (or whatever it is), or see any English conversion button, so can't tell what it says about the bore. From the pics, only, I see a troubling bore as the rifle has been shot a lot or just not cared for after it was shot. The breech block face is quite eroded from corrosive berdan primers. And I would be curious what other readers think of the hammer marks on the back of the breech block just above the firing pin. They look like one of the previous shooters had to tap home the breech block for whatever reason, to insure clearance for the hammer to fall freely under the BB and hit the firing pin. A common issue with rollers. Easy peasy! Open google translator, German to english. paste the text and you have an instant translation. (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links)

	If your rifle is not in 7.62 and you can't hit what you are aiming at with de-linked machinegun ammo you are a pretender.
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SchwarzStock Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1225 Location: SchwarzWald Joined: Mar 23^rd, 2010	Re: Roller as Feuerstutzen Reply #24 - Jan 5^th, 2025 at 8:57am	Print Post
	MrTipUp wrote on Jan 5^th, 2025 at 3:56am: I'm puzzled by the title of this thread "feuerstutzen"? Translator comes up as "fire nozzle"??? As often happens, the translator software is being too literal. "Stutzen" is a collective, generic term for a "short rifle"/"carbine". A "feuerstutzen" or "Feuer Stutzen" is generally speaking a single shot rifle meant for informal target shooting. It usually has target-type sights, often a finger rest-type lever, and in Germany is most popularly chambered for the 8.15 x 46R cartridge. Bill Lawrence With the exception of calling these rifles "meant for informal competition" that is about right. Here is today's listing of Feuerstutzen for sale on gunfinder.de. (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links)

	If your rifle is not in 7.62 and you can't hit what you are aiming at with de-linked machinegun ammo you are a pretender.
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RBKenn Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 279 Location: fallon Joined: Apr 8^th, 2011	Re: Roller as Feuerstutzen Reply #25 - Jan 5^th, 2025 at 2:35pm	Print Post
	Reminds me of a Carlos Gove conversion save for the shape of the under-lever.


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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 16444 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: Roller as Feuerstutzen Reply #26 - Jan 5^th, 2025 at 5:38pm	Print Post
	RBKenn wrote on Jan 5^th, 2025 at 2:35pm: Reminds me of a Carlos Gove conversion save for the shape of the under-lever. And the double set triggers. My Gove conversion has a single set trigger. (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links)

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