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Roller as Feuerstutzen
Jan 2nd, 2025 at 5:35am
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Reply #1 - Jan 2nd, 2025 at 6:35am
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Don't read German (or whatever it is), or see any English conversion button, so can't tell what it says about the bore. From the pics, only, I see a troubling bore as the rifle has been shot a lot or just not cared for after it was shot. The breech block face is quite eroded from corrosive berdan primers. And I would be curious what other readers think of the hammer marks on the back of the breech block just above the firing pin. They look like one of the previous shooters had to tap home the breech block for whatever reason, to insure clearance for the hammer to fall freely under the BB and hit the firing pin. A common issue with rollers.
  
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Reply #2 - Jan 2nd, 2025 at 10:46am
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Single shot rifle - target rifle - rolling block

Caliber: 9.5x47R steel
Barrel length: 722mm
Rigid/field profile, partially matt, porous and pitted
Heavy hexagonal/round barrel, blued, D20 at the muzzle
Diopter sight adjustable in height and side with fine bead
System steel
Stock: oiled walnut with heel cap, cheek piece, partially checkering, sling swivel
Stock length: approx. 32cm
Total length: approx. 115cm
Weight: approx. 4.3kg
Proof: crown/V; B
Manufacturer unknown
Without serial number
Various signs of use/storage, pressure marks and scratches in the stock, system and blueing in good condition, fully functional!

Scope of delivery and condition as shown!

Some pictures with light reflections!

Pictures are part of the auction, later complaints will not be accepted!

Sold on behalf of the customer!

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Reply #3 - Jan 2nd, 2025 at 11:13am
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Darn! Christmas is over too... Sad
  
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Reply #4 - Jan 2nd, 2025 at 3:25pm
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LRF wrote on Jan 2nd, 2025 at 6:35am:
Don't read German (or whatever it is), or see any English conversion button, so can't tell what it says about the bore. From the pics, only, I see a troubling bore as the rifle has been shot a lot or just not cared for after it was shot. The breech block face is quite eroded from corrosive berdan primers. And I would be curious what other readers think of the hammer marks on the back of the breech block just above the firing pin. They look like one of the previous shooters had to tap home the breech block for whatever reason, to insure clearance for the hammer to fall freely under the BB and hit the firing pin. A common issue with rollers.


Only a gay Prussian pretzel salter would own an old turd of a rifle like that. 

Accurate assessment on that one LRF.
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Reply #5 - Jan 2nd, 2025 at 8:21pm
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Bore does look horrible, but the marks around the breech block don't make sense to me? I'd think if somebody has had issues closing the block on a ill fitting cartridge they'd be hammering on the spur, not down where those nicks and marks are. Those might just be handling marks from it not being properly secured during a travel trip to range or hunt?
  
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Reply #6 - Jan 2nd, 2025 at 8:59pm
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marlinguy wrote on Jan 2nd, 2025 at 8:21pm:
Bore does look horrible, but the marks around the breech block don't make sense to me? I'd think if somebody has had issues closing the block on a ill fitting cartridge they'd be hammering on the spur, not down where those nicks and marks are. Those might just be handling marks from it not being properly secured during a travel trip to range or hunt?

As plausible as any I guess. We shall never know but I would be suspicious. In general it's not really a very good gun in the condition it is in.   
  
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Reply #7 - Jan 3rd, 2025 at 11:36am
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LRF wrote on Jan 2nd, 2025 at 8:59pm:
marlinguy wrote on Jan 2nd, 2025 at 8:21pm:
Bore does look horrible, but the marks around the breech block don't make sense to me? I'd think if somebody has had issues closing the block on a ill fitting cartridge they'd be hammering on the spur, not down where those nicks and marks are. Those might just be handling marks from it not being properly secured during a travel trip to range or hunt?

As plausible as any I guess. We shall never know but I would be suspicious. In general it's not really a very good gun in the condition it is in.  


I like it, but having to have it lined or rebored, and the hassles of buying overseas and shipping here make me not interested.
  
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Reply #8 - Jan 3rd, 2025 at 3:33pm
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I know what you mean. I just went through an ordeal buying a gun from a man just a few states away. Can't imagine what you would have to do to buy one from overseas...



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Reply #9 - Jan 3rd, 2025 at 9:52pm
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That is a good looking gun with a bad barrel.  It would make a nice project gun.  At €200 I’d be interested, but the auction description says only sales to EU countries.   

There’s a definite ring around the muzzle.  I wonder if it has been refined before.
  
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Reply #10 - Jan 3rd, 2025 at 11:27pm
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A Ballard # 6 rifle would be far more desirable than that worn out misfit of a rolling block. And look a lot better too.

In the case of the feuerstutzen rolling block, you can't make a silk purse out of a sows ear. If you want to own junk at least own good junk.
  
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Reply #11 - Jan 4th, 2025 at 11:56am
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Ballard #6 are some of the finest Ballard rifles ever made, and the finest Marlin made! But doubt you'll buy one for what a custom Rolling Block costs as they'll go 2 or 3 times that usually! I have 4 Ballard #6 rifles, and the last Schoyen barreled engraved #6 I got from Ron Peterson cost me a pretty penny. But I was happy to pay it for such a great Ballard.
  
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Reply #12 - Jan 4th, 2025 at 12:17pm
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I forgot to mention living longer. Yes Vall, you are a happier man even though your Ballards cost more. Live long and prosper.  Wink
  
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Reply #13 - Jan 4th, 2025 at 5:20pm
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westerner wrote on Jan 4th, 2025 at 12:17pm:
I forgot to mention living longer. Yes Vall, you are a happier man even though your Ballards cost more. Live long and prosper.  Wink


Ballards will always be my first love Joe, but I do have almost as much affection for Remington Hepburn and Rolling Block rifles. But only the Sporting versions.
  
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Re: Roller as Feuerstutzen
Reply #14 - Jan 4th, 2025 at 6:22pm
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Maybe better to start out anew if you want a rolling block Feuerstutzen. This one is 38-55. Showed up at Hamilton one year.
  
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