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Re: External adjustable scopes comparison
Reply #30 - Feb 25th, 2026 at 2:42pm
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I have 1 Unertl, 1 Fecker, and 3 Lyman STS.
The Unertl is serial 171, a very early one and both it and the Fecker are very close in light transmission, both are 10X. The Lymans are all 1950's era and are also similar in light transmission even though two ar 15X and the 3rd is 20X.
The center adjust parallax on the Fecker is easier to adjust when shooting, it and the Unertl do not have distance markings on the adjustment but the Lymans do. The objective parallax adjustment on the Lymans is a bit easier to use than the Unertl for me.
When Litschert retired his son in law took over the business and the name changed to Davis. I have looked through both Litschert and Davis scopes and they appear very serviceable though I have never shot with one. They don't appear quite as bright as Fecker, Unertl, or Lyman.
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Re: External adjustable scopes comparison
Reply #31 - Feb 25th, 2026 at 3:04pm
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Even some of the old ones are good. I like my J. Unertl's and Lyman's, but I like my Winchesters and Malcolm's too.
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Reply #32 - Feb 25th, 2026 at 5:18pm
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I have way too many old target scopes, and from a large assortment of makers. I've found brightness to be mostly based on objective bell sizes. The larger the bell the brighter the field of view is.
My favorite of the well known makers are JW Fecker scopes. I think Fecker made some of the finest target scopes around, and I love the center focus. But Fecker wasn't the only one to use a center focus. AW Peterson also made scopes with a center focus, and may have done so before Fecker? My Hubalek scope is later around WWII and it adjusts like a Fecker, so he copied Fecker's design.
I have some old Malcolm, Sidle and Souther scopes, and both Souther and Sidle scopes have some of the finest optics I've ever looked through. Malcolms I own are good glass, but very small diameter tubes and need lots of ambient light.
  

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Reply #33 - Feb 25th, 2026 at 7:52pm
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I won't spend a nickel on any optics unless they're in new or near new condition. If you can't see it you can't hit it.
  
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Reply #34 - yesterday at 11:01am
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Jonathan wrote on Feb 25th, 2026 at 7:52pm:
I won't spend a nickel on any optics unless they're in new or near new condition. If you can't see it you can't hit it.


I have no problem buying optics needing repairs or cleaning. The price needs to be adjusted for condition if they aren't perfect of course. But there are numerous resources to help you learn how to clean and repair crosshairs, or people to send them to for repairs. 
  

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Reply #35 - yesterday at 12:03pm
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I am of the opposite mind set. I won’t spend a penny on a modern scope to put on an antique single shot. Just my preference. I may get beat by the Miller actions with 36x $2500 scopes but at least I look good. Well at least my rifle looks good.
  

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Reply #36 - yesterday at 12:50pm
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better to look good than shoot good   me to   art
  
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Reply #37 - yesterday at 1:42pm
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Hello Jack,

The looking good part is debatable. My second-hand Miller and I take exception to your disparaging remarks. Prepare to be beaten.

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Reply #38 - yesterday at 2:25pm
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Watch out Rick, I have a new lens in my right eye! 
Next week I home to get my new Miller killer 32 RKS high wall to the range for the first time.

I didn't get a chance to discuss your good idea of having a 2 day match with the 50 shot on Sunday only before Kurt scheduled a Saturday only match, sharing the range with the muzzle loaders at the far end, which worked out OK the last time we did it.  I will have to confirm everything with Kurt, but the match is mid April.
I will get a flyer out eventually.
Hope to see you there.

Jack

  

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Reply #39 - yesterday at 4:27pm
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Hello Jack,

You mentioned it would be only a one-day match. However, the Club calendar lists April 18 and 19 as a Single Shot and Black Powder Match. So perhaps it is scheduled for both days?? Please let me know.

Now, where are those iron sights? They must be around here somewhere.

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Reply #40 - yesterday at 5:10pm
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Good,
I thought it was only 1 day when I looked. I will text Kurt and recommend the 50 shot be on Sunday morning first thing. That way anyone will be experiencing the same conditions. That way things are going it may just be me and you.
  

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