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Re: External adjustable scopes comparison
Reply #15 - Jan 3rd, 2025 at 12:00pm
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Dellet wrote on Jan 3rd, 2025 at 11:52am:
The thing to keep in mind with all these scopes is age. What was the best scope in its day, may be the worst one sitting on the table for the highest price. 

Stuck adjustments, foggy lenses, bent crosshairs, mounts with adjustments that won’t repeat……

I try not to get caught in manufacture as much as condition.


I bought a minty Lyman Targetspot early last year that appeared brand new in it's original brown cardboard box! No signs on the bases it had even been slid on barrel bases! But the adjustments for windage and elevation were extremely stiff, and barely moved!
I loosened the tension screw and then used a syringe to get lightweight oil into the turrets and it immediately loosened up. The adjustments for focus on the scope body were fine, and moved easily. Just seemed like mounts had gotten a different oil that had turned to varnish over many years.

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Re: External adjustable scopes comparison
Reply #16 - Jan 3rd, 2025 at 12:57pm
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marlinguy wrote on Jan 3rd, 2025 at 12:00pm:
Dellet wrote on Jan 3rd, 2025 at 11:52am:
The thing to keep in mind with all these scopes is age. What was the best scope in its day, may be the worst one sitting on the table for the highest price. 

Stuck adjustments, foggy lenses, bent crosshairs, mounts with adjustments that won’t repeat……

I try not to get caught in manufacture as much as condition.


I bought a minty Lyman Targetspot early last year that appeared brand new in it's original brown cardboard box! No signs on the bases it had even been slid on barrel bases! But the adjustments for windage and elevation were extremely stiff, and barely moved!
I loosened the tension screw and then used a syringe to get lightweight oil into the turrets and it immediately loosened up. The adjustments for focus on the scope body were fine, and moved easily. Just seemed like mounts had gotten a different oil that had turned to varnish over many years.

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I think whale oil was a precursor to super glue, it just took to long to bond so they used it as a lube.

I bought a Litschert in about the same condition as your Lyman. Paid about what just a box for a Unertl would have cost. The “rib” is a bit funky, but the optical quality holds its own with anything else out there. Litschert is a bit harder to find a bargin on now.
  
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Re: External adjustable scopes comparison
Reply #17 - Jan 3rd, 2025 at 1:51pm
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I bought a Litschert in a pawn shop a couple years ago that was resting on a pegboard with about a 1/4" of dust on it. Playing dumb I said "what's that?" Reply: "That's a rare Lichertal. I'll take $75 for it." No crosshairs but I cheerfully paid the man, and that's how he spelled it on the receipt. Twenty minutes of cussing and holding my breath and I had new tungsten hairs in it and am pleased with function.
  
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Reply #18 - Jan 3rd, 2025 at 3:01pm
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I like my Lischert scopes because the scope rings clamp on and seem to fit all types of bases. Cross hairs and optics are on par with all the other scopes. Never used a Fecker but I can understand why shooters like the focus in the middle of the scope.
  

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Reply #19 - Jan 3rd, 2025 at 6:59pm
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I bought the first Litschert scope for ground squirrelshooting  in 1960 or 61. Wanted a Unertl, but couldn't afford the $75 price tag. Purchased the Litschert, still have it, and it still functions as well as the day I bought it. Bought another somewhat later with the sliding focus, and found it much easier to use for varmint shooting, rather than rotating but sliding horizontally. I have or have had many older scopes, Sidle, Stevens, Lyman, Winchester, Cummins, Malcom, etc. and untold numbers of more modern scopes. What I have ultimately decided, is that modern scopes are capable of higher definition, stronger construction, brighter(amount of light reaching the eye). A good example are the current Nightforce scopes made in Japan. Much of the credit must go to computer aided design, better glass and deeper pockets. That being said, I would not have one on a fine Ballard or other lovely single shot rifle. Kind of a painted lady so to speak. The choice is up to the user. And I wish you good luck. I always remember some thing my mom taught me long ago when I told her I didn't like peas, and she responded, how can you say you don't like peas, when you have never tried them. Any of the scopes mentioned by others here will serve you well, if prperly maintained and cared for.
  

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Reply #20 - Jan 5th, 2025 at 7:14am
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I had one of those big Tasco external adjust scopes for a while, then was loaned a Junior target spot. The junior was less power but I liked adjusting better. Eventually I win a “for parts or repair” fecker on eBay. It was all froze up and needed crosshairs. Once I fixed it I put it on my stevens 44 1/2 in 38-55 I’d been shooting and with the help of a few people on this forum at a match quickly learned how to use the center adjustment. For what it’s worth, it’s still my favorite scope. Since then I’ve picked up my own Lyman Junior target spot and an Unertl varmit. I do like the large light gathering bell and 1” tube on the Unertl, but still favor the fecker for just target shooting. I’m working on an R2 Lovell project and think that’s where the Unertl will end up. 
I don’t think anyone can go wrong with any of the scopes you mentioned. 
I’d still like to eventually get myself a litschert. I’ve only had the boosters on old scopes. For some dumb reason I sold all of those. Probably needed the money for some obscure loading tool or something.  Grin
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Reply #21 - Jan 6th, 2025 at 12:50pm
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Bent Fecker. It was a 20 power.
  

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Reply #22 - Jan 6th, 2025 at 12:51pm
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I've never had a Unertl, because of cost but, I have one Litschert, Lyman STS and one Fecker. I think they are fairly even in performace.

The Fecker, is ~14x, it's on a 22 rf and shoot it mostly at 100 but, I have shot it in 200 yd matches. I have to use a spotting scope to make sure of the impacts @ 200 but, can see most.

I've had three STS, two 20x and a 25x. I sold the 25x because the FOV was to small @ 100. I love the 20x, they seem to be just right! Good FOV, good and clear, at the target and all the magnification I need at 200.

The Litschert is 15x and I use it on my German Schuetzen, for OH and my 30/40 Imp HW. I think it over performs for it's 15x. I can see 30 cal impacts @ 200 and shot this 10 shot group with it, in a match.
  

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Reply #23 - Jan 6th, 2025 at 2:06pm
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Joe, please tell us more about how that Fecker got bent.
  
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Reply #24 - Jan 6th, 2025 at 2:27pm
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I was also there (3 bench's away) and as near as could determined, Terry double charged his engraved, cast Ballard. We think because he was having a conversation, while loading.

BUT, I personally believe it would not have been catastrophic if, the barrel would have been a chromemoly barrel. Instead, it was a StressProof, Darr barrel and that's why it split so bad.
  

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Reply #25 - Jan 6th, 2025 at 7:33pm
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It was Terry's wife's hammerless Ballard. Latecomers arrived at the match after Terry had charged a case. A cease fire was called to let the tardy go post targets. When the match resumed Terry charged the case a second time.

Indeed the barrel was made from Stessproof steel. The barrel shank was wrapped with Teflon tape indicating there was space between the threads and receiver ring. She opened up like a banana peel. The barrel and scope were pitched forward onto the ground in front of Terry's bench.

The top of the receiver ring blew off going straight up and ricocheted off the roof tin cover and struck Chuck Bordman on the upper arm. The forestock shattered into splinters imbedding in Terry's left arm. It was a mess I can tell you. 
Never wrap Teflon tape on a barrel shank thinking you will tighten it up and never double charge. 


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Reply #26 - Jan 6th, 2025 at 9:16pm
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Not to take anything away from the seriousness of what happened, but I am curious. Other than getting bent, did the rest of the fecker hold up or did it break lenses or anything? 

This also is a lesson in range etiquette. I hope all involved were ultimately ok.
  

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Reply #27 - Jan 6th, 2025 at 11:52pm
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Chuck was overacting as usual. Terry healed up. Not sure what happened to the bent Fecker or how bad it was damaged. 

One time Chuck was de-priming Snider cases when a primer went off and went through the tip of his pinky. At the emergency room he told them he had been shot. Well you can imagine what happened then.... He got a lot more attention than he had anticipated.
  

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