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External adjustable scopes comparison
Dec 30th, 2024 at 9:36pm
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Im familiar with the unertl and Lyman STS scopes. 
I would like to hear comparisons with the Davis optical, the Fecker and Litscert scopes especially in the 20X range and how they stand up with Unertl and Lyman.
  
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Re: External adjustable scopes comparison
Reply #1 - Dec 31st, 2024 at 11:06am
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Past80 wrote on Dec 30th, 2024 at 9:36pm:
Im familiar with the unertl and Lyman STS scopes. 
I would like to hear comparisons with the Davis optical, the Fecker and Litscert scopes especially in the 20X range and how they stand up with Unertl and Lyman.


I love Fecker scopes, and hold them as high as Unertl or Lyman. I really like Fecker scope center adjustment vs. having to reach out to the objective lens to adjust.
Davis and Litschert are great scopes, but were always more economical compared to the other well known target scopes. Litschert made a lot of power adapters to make low power old scopes to higher power, then began making complete scopes. I have a couple Litschert scopes and they're good scopes, but I don't think as good as Unertl of fecker.
John Unertl worked for Fecker for years before going out on his own.
  

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Reply #2 - Dec 31st, 2024 at 4:50pm
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I recently acquired a Litschert 12 X, came with a rifle I'd liked for years.  Those cross-hairs are really dark & heavy.  Old time gun writers joked that Litschert used reject fence wire for cross-hairs.  But the optics seem OK, about like my Unertl & STS.  If I could hold a 12 X scope without shaking, it would be good for offhand.  If you go after varmints, it might be better that any of the others.

I've had a 6 X Fecker for years.  Not air tight, easily fogged up.  A pretty light scope, be OK for offhand if you left it in the sun for a couple of days before you used it.
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Reply #3 - Dec 31st, 2024 at 5:42pm
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I am most interested in clarity and brightness. A friend let me look through his 36 X Unertl with a 1" tube and it was the sharpest view I had ever seen from any other scope but they are few to be found.
  
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Reply #4 - Dec 31st, 2024 at 5:57pm
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Let me start with a qualifier. I’ve had two Lyman STS’s and four Unertl’s. Shot all of them atop 222’s, a Swift and a couple of 6 & 30 cal wildcats. But I’m not an optical expert by a long ways. I only know what worked for me. I am however able to pick people’s brains including one sniper instructor who I traded Star & Hollywood presses with and two Nam snipers. 

The Sniper crowd had shot lots of scopes but all said, empirically, that the Unertl scopes were just tougher.  That they could get banged around and still hold four corners three laps as they termed it. They never told me they were optically superior but for sniper use I just assumed they were acute-sharp. That's all I know

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Reply #5 - Dec 31st, 2024 at 6:03pm
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Past80 wrote on Dec 31st, 2024 at 5:42pm:
I am most interested in clarity and brightness. A friend let me look through his 36 X Unertl with a 1" tube and it was the sharpest view I had ever seen from any other scope but they are few to be found.


Brightness is dictated by scope body diameter, and objective diameter. So the brightest I own are 2" objectives, and a 1" body would also help. 
There have been a couple 1" external adjustment scopes in the FS section here recently, so I'd watch that area.
  

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Reply #6 - Jan 2nd, 2025 at 6:23pm
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Thank you , all who responded. Guess I'll have to cough up the cost of a Unertl. They seem to be most prominent candidate for quality.
  
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Reply #7 - Jan 2nd, 2025 at 7:24pm
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  I think they all used Bausch & Lomb lenses.
  

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Reply #8 - Jan 2nd, 2025 at 7:37pm
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Unertl and Feckers: I don’t see a difference in the glass. The center focus on the Fecker sure makes that easier.
  
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Reply #9 - Jan 2nd, 2025 at 9:07pm
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The Fecker focus system works well if shooting at moving targets, but not nearly as important when shooting at static targets, as in 100 or 200 yards. Also, higher power Feckers are scarce as hens teeth and most are not marked as to power. My choice for old original single shot rifles has always been the Targetspot Lyman's as they perform well optically, are available from 10x up to 30x, and look right at home on these old rifles.
  

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Reply #10 - Jan 2nd, 2025 at 9:13pm
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focus system?  Parallax adjustment? you mean the convienence?
  
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Reply #11 - Jan 2nd, 2025 at 10:03pm
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Early on, Lyman used Bausch and Lomb lenses, then ground their own, as did Fecker, and Unertl  from the start.  As a side note, later Litschert scopes used a sliding screw slot focusing arrangement, which like the Fecker is easier to use when sitting. An even simpler system than the Fecker. I used a 20x Litschert many years ago when shooting prairie dogs, and found it ideal when having to quickly focus for various ranges.
  

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Reply #12 - Jan 2nd, 2025 at 10:30pm
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When a scope is in perfect focus, ideally parallax is eliminated. At least that is my understanding. And with the Fecker that process is, yes, more convenient. One can check for parallax by looking thru the scope and moving your eye side to side, or up and down and observe if there is apparent movement of the reticle at the intended target. when movement is eliminated so is parallax. Whew!!
  

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Re: External adjustable scopes comparison
Reply #13 - Jan 3rd, 2025 at 11:27am
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Even just sitting at the bench the Fecker is much easier to adjust. No stretching out, or changing your position to adjust them. I'll take a Fecker over anything else.
But I do happen to own the only Fecker I've ever seen with adjustment out on the objective end! I bought it a couple years ago at the first CGCA Greeley show, and was surprised to see it was a Fecker without center adjustment! I haven't been able to find out any info as to when Fecker might have built a scope like it? It's a 15x with 1.75" objective.
  

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Reply #14 - Jan 3rd, 2025 at 11:52am
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The thing to keep in mind with all these scopes is age. What was the best scope in its day, may be the worst one sitting on the table for the highest price. 

Stuck adjustments, foggy lenses, bent crosshairs, mounts with adjustments that won’t repeat……

I try not to get caught in manufacture as much as condition.
  
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