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Skalkaho Oldtimer Offline Posts: 796 Location: Montana Joined: Sep 29^th, 2006	Re: Slightly different "Creedmore" Rolling Block Reply #15 - Dec 14^th, 2024 at 10:40am	Print Post
	Gorgeous gun, what a nice set up.... a friend has an original set of Rolling Block long range sights for sale......

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Oleblacksmith Participating Member Offline Posts: 23 Joined: Jan 10^th, 2024	Re: Slightly different "Creedmore" Rolling Block Reply #16 - Dec 14^th, 2024 at 11:25am	Print Post
	TomKlinger wrote on Dec 14^th, 2024 at 7:07am: Oldblacksmith What is the last patent date located on on the left side of the frame? Tom Klinger Tom- My early round top #1 RB and neither of my two early square top RB's have patent dates on the left side of the receiver which was true on all very early receivers up until serial number 3131. They had roll stamped patient dates on the upper tang. If you look at the pictures in Marcot's book you'll see that to be the case.


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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 16444 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: Slightly different "Creedmore" Rolling Block Reply #17 - Dec 14^th, 2024 at 11:30am	Print Post
	Yes, patent dates didn't begin on the left side until around 1874 I believe.

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Oleblacksmith Participating Member Offline Posts: 23 Joined: Jan 10^th, 2024	Re: Slightly different "Creedmore" Rolling Block Reply #18 - Dec 14^th, 2024 at 11:35am	Print Post
	BTW the Patent date is 1866 on the tangs.


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Joe Do... Oldtimer ASSRA Board Member ASSRA Journal Editor Offline Posts: 598 Location: 'burbs of Chicago Joined: May 19^th, 2012	Re: Slightly different "Creedmore" Rolling Block Reply #19 - Dec 14^th, 2024 at 1:27pm	Print Post
	The only Creedmoor Rolling Block i own doesn't have a serial number. The top has a raised panel marked: PATENTS MAY 3, 1864 MAY 7 JUNE 11 NOV 12 DEC 24 DEC 31 1872 SEPT 9 1873 I love seeing these special rifles that don't fit the usual descriptions.


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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 16444 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: Slightly different "Creedmore" Rolling Block Reply #20 - Dec 14^th, 2024 at 2:02pm	Print Post
	Joe Do... wrote on Dec 14^th, 2024 at 1:27pm: The only Creedmoor Rolling Block i own doesn't have a serial number. The top has a raised panel marked: PATENTS MAY 3, 1864 MAY 7 JUNE 11 NOV 12 DEC 24 DEC 31 1872 SEPT 9 1873 I love seeing these special rifles that don't fit the usual descriptions. Joe it appears you also have one fo the full round barreled Creedmoor rifles too! This mine. (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) It has two of these strange little dovetails on the barrel. One over the chamber, and another in front of the globe sight. I guess maybe some little spirit level at the rear, and up front I've seen tiny scales that fit in front of the globe sight to indicate windage adjustment? (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links)

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TomKlinger Full Member Offline Posts: 101 Location: Central Florida Joined: Feb 17^th, 2019	Re: Slightly different "Creedmore" Rolling Block Reply #21 - Dec 14^th, 2024 at 2:06pm	Print Post
	Oldblacksmith That’s a really cool rifle! My Creedmoor is a much later model…. #5683…. Tomklinger


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Oleblacksmith Participating Member Offline Posts: 23 Joined: Jan 10^th, 2024	Re: Slightly different "Creedmore" Rolling Block Reply #22 - Dec 14^th, 2024 at 4:38pm	Print Post
	Thanks all for sharing pictures and comments, I really appreciate it! Now if I could find a RB #1 in 50-70


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Old-Win Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1702 Location: Minnesota Joined: Nov 24^th, 2005	Re: Slightly different "Creedmore" Rolling Block Reply #23 - Dec 15^th, 2024 at 11:46am	Print Post
	Did some searching in old documents that I had downloaded. Could the OP's rifle be a No. 3? This brochure doesn't mention A or B models and no mention of Hepburn's yet.
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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 16444 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: Slightly different "Creedmore" Rolling Block Reply #24 - Dec 15^th, 2024 at 4:58pm	Print Post
	Looks like what he has is the No. 1 EXTRA. It fits his details.

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Oleblacksmith Participating Member Offline Posts: 23 Joined: Jan 10^th, 2024	Re: Slightly different "Creedmore" Rolling Block Reply #25 - Dec 15^th, 2024 at 5:38pm	Print Post
	That ad was produced in a 1877 catalogue which would be about 5 to 6 years after my rifle was made. What gives it away is the heading "prices reduced to suit the times," when Remington was getting into hard times. Its shown in Marcot's book on page 58. What makes sense to me is that someone special ordered the rifle prior to the time that Creedmore rifles had been catalogued as Marlinguy suggested. On page 164 is a picture of a military Creedmore that has the forearm running nearly the entire length of the barrel, no checkering and a military rear barrel sight. How it originated is something we can speculate on but probably never know. It is fun though!


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Old-Win Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1702 Location: Minnesota Joined: Nov 24^th, 2005	Re: Slightly different "Creedmore" Rolling Block Reply #26 - Dec 15^th, 2024 at 10:34pm	Print Post
	marlinguy wrote on Dec 15^th, 2024 at 4:58pm: Looks like what he has is the No. 1 EXTRA. It fits his details. But the oleblacksmith's rifle is a straight grip. That's why I thought it might be a military rolling block. In the early days of the 74 Sharps Creedmoors, some of them were straight grips too. Guess it's just going to be one of those mysteries. Fascinating rifle.
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MrTipUp Frequent Elocutionist Offline Quality is to a product what character is to a man Posts: 1319 Location: Indiana Joined: Feb 19^th, 2020	Re: Slightly different "Creedmore" Rolling Block Reply #27 - Dec 15^th, 2024 at 11:25pm	Print Post
	To me, tacking on the term "military" indicates that the rifle at least has a full-length forearm. Thus the OP's wonderful "long range"/"Creedmoor" can't be a No. 3 grade. Bill Lawrence


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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 16444 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: Slightly different "Creedmore" Rolling Block Reply #28 - Dec 16^th, 2024 at 10:26am	Print Post
	I agree Bill, I think were it a "Military" model it would have both a full length forearm, and military style buttplate. I think it's simply a Deluxe or Extra grade No.1 Creedmoor with straight grip.

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jhm Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1595 Location: georgia Joined: Sep 4^th, 2011	Re: Slightly different "Creedmore" Rolling Block Reply #29 - Dec 16^th, 2024 at 4:16pm	Print Post
	I have never seen a rolling block with a raised area on the receiver. It is somewhat like a Rigby flat. JMH


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