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frnkeore Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 7324 Location: Central Point, OR 97502 Joined: Jun 16^th, 2010	Re: What constitutes the perfect Schuetzen cartridge? Reply #30 - Dec 1^st, 2024 at 1:56pm	Print Post
	My take is that it's the friction of the course BP, at the cannelure, that causes it and the straight taper of the Schuetzen has less of that.

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westerner Frequent Elocutionist Offline deleted posts and threads record holder. Posts: 11521 Location: Why, out West of course Joined: May 29^th, 2006	Re: What constitutes the perfect Schuetzen cartridge? Reply #31 - Dec 1^st, 2024 at 6:18pm	Print Post
	Compressing the powder charge in the 32-40 stops the case separations. Don't make sense to me but it works. Frank, in my experiments the cannelure made no difference. Cases without broke just as often. Had many case separate below the cannelure.

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frnkeore Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 7324 Location: Central Point, OR 97502 Joined: Jun 16^th, 2010	Re: What constitutes the perfect Schuetzen cartridge? Reply #32 - Dec 1^st, 2024 at 7:45pm	Print Post
	I only used the nickle plated John Wayne cases so, all mine had cannelures and never compressed my loads, other than what it took to put a 1/16 LDPE wad in the case. Later I used 30 Americans, that didn't have a cannelure and never separated any of those. I also went to my 32/35, with both Fed 30/30 and 30 American cases and never separated and of those, again using LDPE wads. The 32/35 was also about 4 points, per target better than the 32/40. Maybe it just depends on how far North you live

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yamoon Oldtimer Offline NRA Life, ASSRA , GGCA, MCA Posts: 907 Location: Junction City Kansas Joined: Feb 11^th, 2012	Re: What constitutes the perfect Schuetzen cartridge? Reply #33 - Dec 1^st, 2024 at 9:47pm	Print Post
	I shoot German schuetzen rifles, therefore I am partial to 8.15x46r. I do have one that was rechambered for 303 that shoots very well. I have never shot any of the 32 Millers or any of the other specialty cartridges, so I can’t speak to them. Mike


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gunlaker Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2331 Location: lower mainland, B.C. Joined: Dec 13^th, 2010	Re: What constitutes the perfect Schuetzen cartridge? Reply #34 - Dec 2^nd, 2024 at 8:05pm	Print Post
	westerner wrote on Dec 1^st, 2024 at 6:18pm: Compressing the powder charge in the 32-40 stops the case separations. Don't make sense to me but it works. That's the gist of an article written by Steve Garbe on the subject a few years back. I think he also might have mentioned using thicker "everlasting" style cases, but that probably takes away a fair bit of case capacity. Chris.


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westerner Frequent Elocutionist Offline deleted posts and threads record holder. Posts: 11521 Location: Why, out West of course Joined: May 29^th, 2006	Re: What constitutes the perfect Schuetzen cartridge? Reply #35 - Dec 2^nd, 2024 at 9:09pm	Print Post
	gunlaker wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2024 at 8:05pm: westerner wrote on Dec 1^st, 2024 at 6:18pm: Compressing the powder charge in the 32-40 stops the case separations. Don't make sense to me but it works. That's the gist of an article written by Steve Garbe on the subject a few years back. I think he also might have mentioned using thicker "everlasting" style cases, but that probably takes away a fair bit of case capacity. Chris. Yes, while struggling with broken cases in a 32-40 at Butte, Steve told me about compressing the powder charge. Unfortunately I had no way of doing so at the match. Broke a lot of cases those two days. What constitutes a perfect Schuetzen cartridge does not include BP. I never read the article. Were factory 32-40 powder charges compressed back in the day?

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frnkeore Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 7324 Location: Central Point, OR 97502 Joined: Jun 16^th, 2010	Re: What constitutes the perfect Schuetzen cartridge? Reply #36 - Dec 3^rd, 2024 at 3:45am	Print Post
	Joe, maybe our different results, was because I always shot duplex loads. Did you shot the BP matches in Springfield? They were duplex rules.

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westerner Frequent Elocutionist Offline deleted posts and threads record holder. Posts: 11521 Location: Why, out West of course Joined: May 29^th, 2006	Re: What constitutes the perfect Schuetzen cartridge? Reply #37 - Dec 3^rd, 2024 at 9:43am	Print Post
	I always used duplex back then. Cases started pulling in half when I started using straight Swiss.
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rgchristensen Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1103 Joined: Jan 2^nd, 2014	Re: What constitutes the perfect Schuetzen cartridge? Reply #38 - Dec 3^rd, 2024 at 3:13pm	Print Post
	I am at a loss to understand these reported case failures. My 32-40 schuetzen rifle has fired around 16,000 shots out of the original 200 cases, and the only cases that were "lost" were the ones that were stepped-on or mislaid or otherwise got away. No failures. CHRIS


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westerner Frequent Elocutionist Offline deleted posts and threads record holder. Posts: 11521 Location: Why, out West of course Joined: May 29^th, 2006	Re: What constitutes the perfect Schuetzen cartridge? Reply #39 - Dec 4^th, 2024 at 1:04am	Print Post
	rgchristensen wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2024 at 3:13pm: I am at a loss to understand these reported case failures. My 32-40 schuetzen rifle has fired around 16,000 shots out of the original 200 cases, and the only cases that were "lost" were the ones that were stepped-on or mislaid or otherwise got away. No failures. CHRIS Some guys get all the breaks.

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MrTipUp Frequent Elocutionist Offline Quality is to a product what character is to a man Posts: 1316 Location: Indiana Joined: Feb 19^th, 2020	Re: What constitutes the perfect Schuetzen cartridge? Reply #40 - Dec 4^th, 2024 at 4:13am	Print Post
	Actually, in this case Chris got no breaks at all. Bill Lawrence


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UpNorthCountry Junior Member Offline Posts: 57 Joined: Jan 4^th, 2023	Re: What constitutes the perfect Schuetzen cartridge? Reply #41 - Dec 4^th, 2024 at 9:08am	Print Post
	I was looking at the new .360 Buck Hammer which is a straight wall tapered 1.79” (30-30 parent case) as a potential project. It’s about .200 longer than the .357 maximum which was going to be my original choice and .300 shorter than the .38-55 which was my second choice.


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