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Handloading struggles with the 22 WCF
Nov 23rd, 2024 at 4:45pm
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Rifle is a recently acquired all original Remington Hepburn in 22WCF, 30 inch barrel.

New Winchester Hornet brass, cast 45gr .228” bullet.

Primers tried are R-P 6 1/2, Win Small Rifle, and CCI 500 Small
Pistol.

I have tried no crimp, light crimp, heavy crimp…

Powders tried are Unique, IMR 4227 and 4759.

With 4227 and 4759 I am getting alot of unburned powder regardless of combination tried. So much so that upon ejection of empty, some is being left behind in the chamber. This creates enough of a problem that chambering following rounds are difficult without swabbing out the chamber. 6 grains of either gives me about 1500 FPS and acceptable accuracy.

3 grains of Unique gets me the same results with no problem of unburned powder or chambering issues. I see no large velocity swings with what is a pinch of powder off the bench. Typically In these old guns I like a powder that fills the case as much as possible, if nothing else it helps prevent a double charge while loading. 

Any suggestions on getting a more complete burn with the first two powders? 

  
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Re: Handloading struggles with the 22 WCF
Reply #1 - Nov 23rd, 2024 at 5:16pm
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when I had mine it did pretty well  using 2400. Sorry, but I can't recall the amount. Records went with the rifle to aid the new owner.
  
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Reply #2 - Nov 23rd, 2024 at 5:31pm
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You are not going get the results you want with slow rifle  powders.  They will only burn well at fairly high, sustained pressures, which you are not going to get with the 22WCF. Try some of the more bulky slow shotgun powders, such as HERCO.   These are designed to burn at fairly low pressures. Probably not a bad idea to use small pistol primers, also.   They are the same size as LP.

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Reply #3 - Nov 23rd, 2024 at 5:31pm
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I have 2400. Will be my next experiment.
  
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Re: Handloading struggles with the 22 WCF
Reply #4 - Nov 23rd, 2024 at 7:13pm
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As said, the unburnt powder is because of low pressures. 

There is no reason to stay around 1500. Increase the charge 1gr, .5 then, .2 a time. I shoot a 70 bullet in 25/20SS, BSed, at 1700 fps. No leading, at all.

The spec I have for the WCF, is 14 twist so, you can increase the bullet weight to about 60gr (at least 55gr) and that w ill help burn the powder, even more.

Going to #9 will also burn cleaner.
  

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Re: Handloading struggles with the 22 WCF
Reply #5 - Nov 23rd, 2024 at 7:14pm
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I am not familiar with the 22WCF. What does it consist of?




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Re: Handloading struggles with the 22 WCF
Reply #6 - Nov 23rd, 2024 at 7:19pm
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It is what the 22 Hornet is based on but, with a .228 groove diameter.
  

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Reply #7 - Nov 23rd, 2024 at 7:44pm
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The bullets I started with are purchased because I didnt want to invest in mould before I knew if the bore was going to be good enough.   

I started with 3.5 grains of Unique, which gave me over 1700FPS. Until I cast my own and knew what the hardness is I was being conservative.

The powder I tried are ones I had at hand this weekend. I was using Hornet load data and havent strayed from the powders listed in my old manuals.

I appreciate the suggestions.
  
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Re: Handloading struggles with the 22 WCF
Reply #8 - Nov 23rd, 2024 at 7:47pm
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I use 2400 in my Pope barreled Ballard chambered for .22WCF, and around 9.0 grs. with a .45 grain cast bullet from a Brooks mold. It's a good accurate load, and burns pretty clean also.
  

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Re: Handloading struggles with the 22 WCF
Reply #9 - Nov 23rd, 2024 at 9:49pm
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In both a dainty little German kiplauf 5.6x35R (.226 groove diameter + gain twist ending in around 1-9" near as I can tell) and a Stevens 44 (barrel lined to .224/1-14 and chambered for .22WCF - heck, just call it a Hornet) I propel the 55gr. Lee Bator with 6.0gr. 2400 and small pistol primers (old Alcans, if anyone's keeping score). Accuracy is such that I stopped right there and made it my "go-to load" for both guns. Bullets are sized differently for both guns, based on differing throat and groove diameters - as-cast in the kiplauf and .225" for the Stevens.

For those not familiar with the Bator bullet it is (or was, it may be discontinued) a short stubby gas checked (gasp) bullet of nominally 55 grains but which out of my mold weigh in at 52 grains, 1-16 alloy - stubby in that it's not much longer than 45gr. jacketed Hornet bullets.
  
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Re: Handloading struggles with the 22 WCF
Reply #10 - Nov 24th, 2024 at 2:36am
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Very interesting cartridge. I'll bet on a Hepburn frame there is very little to no recoil. I have a Hepburn varmint conversion in .219 zipper. I have never been much on the small calibers and haven't shot it much. Still on the fence about a re barrel to a larger caliber.



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Re: Handloading struggles with the 22 WCF
Reply #11 - Nov 24th, 2024 at 6:58am
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Johnny, you are right, there’s no recoil. It does has the most slender factory barrel I have ever seen on a Hepburn so it is a sleek rifle. 

With the 3 gr. Unique load at 1500fps, and the rear Lyman tang bottomed out, it is dead on at 100 yards. 

I will try some 2400 this afternoon, and perhaps explore Chris’s suggestion of some other powders. 

It is hard to argue with a 3-3.5 grains load…that’s over 2000 shots per pound of Unique.
  
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Re: Handloading struggles with the 22 WCF
Reply #12 - Nov 26th, 2024 at 4:09am
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I would continue with Unique, it’s not worth the effort to get the slower powders up to pressure. If you mount the rifle consistently velocity will be uniform.

However the double charge caution is justified. My light Unique charges all checked with a drop gage. Usually wood rod marked with a line indicating desired charge. Small cases better to use a brass rod, less chance of error in the small neck. Most of my larger cases checked with brass rod too, after setting the gage depth with a wood rod.

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Re: Handloading struggles with the 22 WCF
Reply #13 - Nov 26th, 2024 at 8:33am
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If you have a copy of Ken Waters "Pet Loads" I would suggest you read the chapter on the 22 Hornet.  It will give you some ideas on a starting load for the 22WCF.
  

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Re: Handloading struggles with the 22 WCF
Reply #14 - Nov 26th, 2024 at 10:00am
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I do have a copy of Kens book. I will crack it open. I loaded up my last 30 bullets with 3 grains of Unique because my son and I are going to take a walk for squirrels after school. I will be ordering more bullets today for further experimenting. 

The mold these are cast in has two lube grooves. The NOE molds I see have only one. The old Winchesters I see have three or four. Anyone with experience with multiple styles have a preference? I like the idea of more than one in a less than perfect 30 inch barrel.

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