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Nov 14th, 2024 at 7:06pm
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Still a work in progress.  I reamed the chamber out today and now I can shoot it.  The crescent buttstock came with the rifle with a 30-40 Krag barrel.  The action is a coil spring but the 30-40 barrel has the flat spring dovetail.  I had an new? eBay purchased 40-65 barrel with no flats spring dovetail.  I finally got around to installing it on this action.  The forend is held on by a screw and is too far forward.  I will either make a new forend for the #4 weight barrel or cut a dovetail in the right location. The PB buttstock is an option and is made for a straight grip.  Someone filled the upper tang sight hole and sanded it down before refinishing.  I hope I can get it out without having to re-tap the hole.  The rifle comes in at just over 11 lbs as it.
Now to see how it shoots

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Reply #1 - Nov 15th, 2024 at 3:37am
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Jack, what is the groove size on it?

I have a really nice tapered Ron Long mold, for a .408 groove.
  

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Reply #2 - Nov 15th, 2024 at 8:51am
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That's a beautiful little rifle there Jack.  I only have experience with Shiloh's chamber, but if yours is anything like it ( about 0.050" freebore, 2.5 degrees per side taper ), then I'd recommend finding a Saeco #740 mold.  For 200-300 yards it is exceptionally good. 

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Reply #3 - Nov 15th, 2024 at 9:13am
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I have a couple of moulds to try that I picked up when I had a 40-63 Ballard.  I also have several hundred old 30-1 cast bullets from Bob Zimmerman’s estate.  I plan to do another  chamber cast after running the reamer through it. I did get the upper tang screw out quite easily with a screw extractor.  I was worried that it might have been secured with Loctite. The only local shoots here are 100 and 200 yds so my short Ron Heilman sight should suffice. I do have an MVA 108 on my 45-90 I could use.  While I have the barrel off I think I will drill and tap the no name barrel for scope blocks.  I have a Stevens 368 and a 6x Mossberg I could use on it. 
I will keep your mould in mind Frank as well as the Saeco

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Reply #4 - Nov 15th, 2024 at 11:14am
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Looks like a nice rifle Jack!
If you pull the lower tang and setup the action to level the top tang you can drill the plug screw out from the underside. I've found doing it this way usually catches the screw and the direction of the drill press will spin it out at some point before it breaks through the end of the screw.
Tope side also works if you have a left hand drill bit, and a hand drill you can run reversed.
  

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Reply #5 - Nov 15th, 2024 at 12:00pm
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I attached a spare lower tang and clamped that tang in my mill vice, leveled the action and drilled first with a center drill then a 1/8” bit all the way through. An easy out bit grabbed it quite easily.  I thought about drilling from the bottom but the plug screw had somewhat of a point.   
Next is to fireform some brass. I hope to be able to finger seat a bullet over a BP load without ever having to size a case like my 45-90 and 38-55 BP loads. 

  

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Reply #6 - Nov 15th, 2024 at 8:19pm
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I fitted the PG buttstock and added scope blocks.  Here she is with my Stevens 368 scope with Winchester A5 mounts.   

I will take a better photo when the sun comes up tomorrow.

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Reply #7 - Nov 16th, 2024 at 11:09am
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That should make it more comfortable to shoot! I have two buttstocks for my Ballard #4 Perfection in .45-70 for the same reason. The original is a deep crescent and really hurts. I built a second that's a pistol grip conversion with shotgun buttplate to make the .45-70 more comfortable to shoot.
  

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Reply #8 - Nov 16th, 2024 at 3:17pm
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I didn't find anything at the gun show (well I did get some cookies) so I am going to order the RCBS Shiloh die set.  I did kludge together a 405 Win expander in a 45-70 die body and I should be able to put together a seater combo to load up the 40 cases that I sized with a borrowed set of 40-65 dies and get the brass fire formed.  The screw hole in the barrel is not at Winchester standard position so the forearm is 1/4" or se too far forward.  I think I will work on making a new forend and if I mess that uo, I will cut a dovetail in the stock. The forend I sanded out is a bit to thin at the front in my opinion. I can shoot it as is so a new forend is not a high priority.  I would like to use my Mossberg scope (the Stevens has a post), but the blocks are too short to allow the angled rear mount screw to clear the barrel. I will have to look through my blocks to see if I have a taller set with the dual Unertl cup and Winchester holes.
Thanks to those here who loaned me stuff to get this project off the ground.   

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Reply #9 - Nov 16th, 2024 at 3:19pm
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Glad to help Jack. And glad you're getting this project close to finished too!
  

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Reply #10 - Nov 16th, 2024 at 5:28pm
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In response to Frank's question, it has a .410 groove and is 1 14 twist.  Barrel is 31 inches.   

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Reply #11 - Nov 16th, 2024 at 6:33pm
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I put on some taller blocks (not much) but the rear mount screw on the Mossberg scope still hit the barrel.   I was able to find knob in my junk box and made a new smaller diameter screw.  Here is the rifle without the tang sight installed.  I have a black version of the 4x scope as well.
  

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Reply #12 - Nov 16th, 2024 at 7:30pm
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Slick!
  
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Reply #13 - Nov 16th, 2024 at 7:40pm
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Jack, your cover plates for the Obj and + hairs, are 180° off.
  

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Reply #14 - Nov 16th, 2024 at 11:06pm
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Frank, If I knew what you were talking about I would scare myself. Smiley
  

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Reply #15 - Nov 17th, 2024 at 2:39am
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Jack, I'm talking about the cover plates, that are on the bottom of the scope, just forward of the rear turret.

The forward one is the parallax adjustment, the one near the turret, is the one to adjust focus for the + hairs. 

If you rotate the scope 180°, and level the + hairs, you'll be able to get at them, easily.
  

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Reply #16 - Nov 17th, 2024 at 9:25am
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I wondered what those little plates were. Thanks Frank
  

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Reply #17 - Nov 17th, 2024 at 6:36pm
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I decided to use my black Mossberg instead of the brass one.  Not quite as garish.  I am hoping to join the local club BP group for a few of their matches next year. 100 and 200 yds only. Then I can take on Rick Moritz at Tacoma if that match occurs.

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Reply #18 - Nov 17th, 2024 at 7:01pm
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That Capitol City BP group looks like a good bunch of shooters.
I see Ken K. and Dick E. are shooting with them now.
Should have some good competition.
Mike Nesbitt  sends out their match results in his" American Sharps Shooter " newsletter.

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Reply #19 - Nov 17th, 2024 at 8:08pm
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I stopped by one of the matches where Ken ws shooting.  I haven't run into Dick yet.  I usually see most of the group if I go to the range on Wednesday when they practice shooting.  Not targets mind you, mostly shooting the bull.  Mike is quite the character.  I think he owns more C Sharps rifles than anyone.  A few of them are migrating to rollers.  I traded a Swedish roller and cash for a nice chrome plated forged DST Ballard with a 30 Wesson barrel that is my offhand match rifle.  The rollers got the royal treatment and is now a great looking match rifle.  I will have to see if my old bones will let me shoot sitting anymore.  At least they allow short stools and scopes. I see that Dick was shooting something besides his Browning HW
  

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Reply #20 - Dec 19th, 2024 at 3:38pm
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This 40-65 will shoot!
I got serious today after getting all my brass fire formed and loaded up a few different BP loads.  I had 4 variations of loads.  The Swiss 1.5 (55 gr) with CCI primers did the best with 2 different bullets.  Overall I had a couple of 1-1/4" 100 yd 4 shot groups and a couple of 2-3/4" 4 shot groups at 200 yds.  The brass 4x Mossberg is not very bright and I could not see the 200 yd ISSA red offhand target very well.  I need to see if I can clean the lenses and also try my Heilman tang sight. 
Here is the best group at 200 yds.  Shot 1 was low. The last 3 went into 1"   The Lyman Snover bullets are slightly tipping.

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Reply #21 - Dec 19th, 2024 at 6:55pm
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Looks like you're making good progress Jack!
The Snover bullet always tipped slightly fired from my Browning 1885 40-65 also whether I was shooting at 200yds or 500yds.
But they were so accurate I didn't worry about it.

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Reply #22 - Dec 19th, 2024 at 7:13pm
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Thanks Steve

Next step is to do one last test using all 3 bullets I have.  Then load development is over.  I will use my 14x Unertl next time since I can use that at Tacoma against Rick Moritz if we shoot the BP match again.   

  

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Reply #23 - Jan 2nd, 2025 at 7:43pm
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It shoots.

I have been shooting the 40-65 high wall at 200 yds finally after fire forming the brass.  It has been doing well with most groups running under 3".  This is the best so far shot this morning in gloomy conditions with a 14x scope. 

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Reply #24 - Jan 2nd, 2025 at 9:12pm
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That's interesting Jack!  That was the first mold I used with my Shiloh and it didn't shoot very well at all.  When I switched to the Saeco #740 it was an enormous improvement.  Looks like we have opposite guns Smiley.

I'm glad that is working for you.  That's some nice shooting!

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Reply #25 - Jan 2nd, 2025 at 10:47pm
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I still have to try my Accurate mould as well.  Here are my 3 bullets.  (left to right)

Accurate      41-365G
Hoch      410-400
Lyman      410663

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Reply #26 - Jan 16th, 2025 at 9:29am
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