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bpjack Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2842 Location: East Olympia, WA Joined: May 18^th, 2008	Re: School me - 40-65 dies Reply #15 - Nov 11^th, 2024 at 2:26pm	Print Post
	Pop sound is good. My 45-90 does that as well.

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Judge 1879 Participating Member Offline Posts: 48 Location: Arizona Joined: Jun 27^th, 2024	Re: School me - 40-65 dies Reply #16 - Nov 12^th, 2024 at 7:46pm	Print Post
	I've been on this path recently myself, and the research is frustrating, now throw the marlin ballard 40 65 into the mix.sounds like the shiloh dies may be the way to go. I know the Ballard 40 65 differs from the win 40 65 as well as the shiloh, and suggestions?


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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 16300 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: School me - 40-65 dies Reply #17 - Nov 13^th, 2024 at 11:22am	Print Post
	Judge 1879 wrote on Nov 12^th, 2024 at 7:46pm: I've been on this path recently myself, and the research is frustrating, now throw the marlin ballard 40 65 into the mix.sounds like the shiloh dies may be the way to go. I know the Ballard 40 65 differs from the win 40 65 as well as the shiloh, and suggestions? Don't consider reaming a .40-65 Ballard with a .40-65 Win. reamer. The Ballard cartridge is much longer and the Win. reamer wont be long enough to remove the .40-65 Ballard chamber.

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Judge 1879 Participating Member Offline Posts: 48 Location: Arizona Joined: Jun 27^th, 2024	Re: School me - 40-65 dies Reply #18 - Nov 13^th, 2024 at 6:50pm	Print Post
	I would never dream of doing that, I just want to know which route to go to form brass for this. its my # 4 1/2 Mid Range A1, far to valuble to ream the chamber.marlinguy wrote on Nov 13^th, 2024 at 11:22am: Judge 1879 wrote on Nov 12^th, 2024 at 7:46pm: I've been on this path recently myself, and the research is frustrating, now throw the marlin ballard 40 65 into the mix.sounds like the shiloh dies may be the way to go. I know the Ballard 40 65 differs from the win 40 65 as well as the shiloh, and suggestions? Don't consider reaming a .40-65 Ballard with a .40-65 Win. reamer. The Ballard cartridge is much longer and the Win. reamer wont be long enough to remove the .40-65 Ballard chamber.


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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 16300 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: School me - 40-65 dies Reply #19 - Nov 13^th, 2024 at 7:09pm	Print Post
	The steps will be to first get a set of dies from C&H4D. Then some .45-90 Sharps brass and size it down to the .40-65 Ballard and trim OAL slightly. Of course the .45-90 Sharps brass comes and goes, and not available now. If it does appear somehow grab it quickly as it goes fast! It's 2.40" long and your .40-65 chamber usually needs 2.37" length. It may take several passes at each case to form down to .40 caliber, and don't try to go too far each pass or you might stick a case in the dies!

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Judge 1879 Participating Member Offline Posts: 48 Location: Arizona Joined: Jun 27^th, 2024	Re: School me - 40-65 dies Reply #20 - Nov 14^th, 2024 at 6:49am	Print Post
	so the 45 90 winchester brass will not work?


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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 16300 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: School me - 40-65 dies Reply #21 - Nov 14^th, 2024 at 10:50am	Print Post
	Judge 1879 wrote on Nov 14^th, 2024 at 6:49am: so the 45 90 winchester brass will not work? If you look at dimensions the Win. and Sharps brass are identical. Just another case of two companies putting their own name on the same cartridge.

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bpjack Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2842 Location: East Olympia, WA Joined: May 18^th, 2008	Re: School me - 40-65 dies Reply #22 - Nov 14^th, 2024 at 5:01pm	Print Post
	Breaking news. We interrupt this thread on Sharps brass to give an update on the 40-65 high wall. The loaner reamer showed up this morning and a couple of hours later, the chamber is cut as it should be. Sized brass fits perfectly. I will probably buy the RCBS Shiloh die set if I don’t find any dies at the local gun show on Saturday. Up next is fitting a different buttstock and working on the forend. I will post some photos in the photo section later today after I get the sights installed. Back to our regularly scheduled thread Jack

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1Hawkeye Junior Member Offline Posts: 93 Location: South end of Northern Virginia Joined: Jun 29^th, 2019	Re: School me - 40-65 dies Reply #23 - Nov 14^th, 2024 at 6:19pm	Print Post
	I've been through the same issue with my first and second. 40-65 's for the first sharps a rebarreled shiloh via a western gunsmith that i got rcbs cowboy dies for and had chambering issues with some 45-70 brass on my second shiloh a 100% factory rifle i got the rcbs shiloh dies and it's a big difference. The cowboy dies don't come down the case far enough to size the web area of the case but the shiloh ones do and the brass falls right in. Also another trick for making. 40-65 wcf brass from .45-70 is to use hornady brass because they are a tenth of a inch shorter and when run through the .40-65 sizer they are just a hair under the perfect length.


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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 16300 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: School me - 40-65 dies Reply #24 - Nov 15^th, 2024 at 11:07am	Print Post
	I have a .40-65 reamer, but I still need to find a throating reamer as my new barrel on my .40-65 Hepburn wont accept my .40 Snover 410 grain bullets without the bullets seated deeper than I like. I can chamber them in a Ballard and a Rolling Block that are .40-65 just fine, but not in the Hepburn. I can seat them with a cartridge seating tool, but they engrave heavily into the rifling.

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