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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 16444 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: Emil Berg's Hartford Pope No. 383 Marlin-Ballard Reply #15 - Nov 15^th, 2024 at 12:56pm	Print Post
	I've already been outbid on a couple things, but still ahead on a couple others. Guess we'll see how the dust settles. Just looked again and I missed all 4 items. Only bargain I saw go was the Deluxe Whitney-Laidley Rolling Block that sold for a measly $1400. That was probably worth another $1000 more.
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rkba2nd Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1963 Location: earth Joined: Feb 16^th, 2009	Re: Emil Berg's Hartford Pope No. 383 Marlin-Ballard Reply #16 - Nov 15^th, 2024 at 1:40pm	Print Post
	My point being, that once the tools are separated, for example a Schoyen mold and grease pump made for that barrel, not all owners would be able to tell the difference, or assume that because the tools came with the rifle they belong with that rifle. Truth be known, only the original owner would know for sure. If one were in doubt, with a chamber cast, to include the throat and a short length of barrel, and ability to accurately measure a 7 groove barrel, one could be relatively sure of a match. The question being, has that been done to that rifle. If one knows of all the previous owners and their knowledge concerned, that too would indicate that the correct tools are with the rifle. As would seem to be the case with your Pope marlinguy. No pun intended.

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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 16444 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: Emil Berg's Hartford Pope No. 383 Marlin-Ballard Reply #17 - Nov 15^th, 2024 at 2:42pm	Print Post
	Sometimes you just have to look at a rifle and whatever comes with it and decide if they're right for the rifle. I'd assume in some cases that's not easy; say with a Schoyen rifle that came with a Pope mold for the specific caliber. Could be someone ordered a Pope mold for it, but more likely they'd have bought a Schoyen mold. But if the owner bought a Pope mold later does it mean it shouldn't stay with the rifle? When it comes to shooting kits I'd think if everything in a kit matches up with, or can be used with a certain rifle in the collection then it ought to be paired with it when sold. I would hope that some things like the group of Pope false muzzles and starters were test fitted to Pope barrels to see if any fit them? Or at least check serial numbers on those to see if they match a barrel? And the group of ramrods sold together when there are numerous false muzzle Pope, Schoyen, etc. rifles is sad, as I'd bet most if not all went with the rifles at auction. But they got over $500 for the group, and it's about the money more than anything. This breaking down parts to maximize selling prices might be fine for the heirs, but it sure doesn't do anything to retain the completeness of a gun and tools.

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Myers Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 383 Joined: Mar 5^th, 2013	Re: Emil Berg's Hartford Pope No. 383 Marlin-Ballard Reply #18 - Nov 15^th, 2024 at 2:50pm	Print Post
	$6500 for Emils Ballard . I thought it would sell alot higher.


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westerner Frequent Elocutionist Offline deleted posts and threads record holder. Posts: 11589 Location: Why, out West of course Joined: May 29^th, 2006	Re: Emil Berg's Hartford Pope No. 383 Marlin-Ballard Reply #19 - Nov 16^th, 2024 at 10:56am	Print Post
	Not bad for a hundred plus year old parts gun.

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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 16444 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: Emil Berg's Hartford Pope No. 383 Marlin-Ballard Reply #20 - Nov 16^th, 2024 at 11:02am	Print Post
	Myers wrote on Nov 15^th, 2024 at 2:50pm: $6500 for Emils Ballard . I thought it would sell alot higher. I also thought it would have gone higher. And Peterson's personal Ballard went $4000 which I was surprised it didn't go higher. The lot of assorted ramrods went pretty crazy at around $550 if I recall? Some of the smaller stuff went crazy high. The two cased sight sets that were both incomplete went stupid high, especially with premium added! I've seen complete sets sell for less.

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bnice Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1868 Location: Iowa Joined: Nov 30^th, 2006	Re: Emil Berg's Hartford Pope No. 383 Marlin-Ballard Reply #21 - Nov 16^th, 2024 at 4:21pm	Print Post
	Anyone know what the metal shroud around the muzzle of lot 98 Stillmans 78 sharps is?


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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 16444 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: Emil Berg's Hartford Pope No. 383 Marlin-Ballard Reply #22 - Nov 16^th, 2024 at 6:08pm	Print Post
	bnice wrote on Nov 16^th, 2024 at 4:21pm: Anyone know what the metal shroud around the muzzle of lot 98 Stillmans 78 sharps is? I think it states it's a false muzzle barrel, so maybe this is some odd sort of guide tube for the false muzzle, or starter? I don't see the false muzzle in place, but see it and the starter in the shooting kit. Just guessing the tube guides the false muzzle until the 4 prongs get aligned in their holes?

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bnice Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1868 Location: Iowa Joined: Nov 30^th, 2006	Re: Emil Berg's Hartford Pope No. 383 Marlin-Ballard Reply #23 - Nov 16^th, 2024 at 6:22pm	Print Post
	Maybe but seems like a pretty crude fit.


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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 16444 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: Emil Berg's Hartford Pope No. 383 Marlin-Ballard Reply #24 - Nov 17^th, 2024 at 11:31am	Print Post
	bnice wrote on Nov 16^th, 2024 at 6:22pm: Maybe but seems like a pretty crude fit. Since it doesn't align the false with the bore it wouldn't need to be a precise fit. The 4 pins align the false muzzle perfectly. But I may be wrong about it's function? Just guessing what purpose it serves.

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