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watchthewind Oldtimer Offline Posts: 993 Location: Phoenix, AZ Joined: Mar 10^th, 2015	Rimfire National Match? Oct 17^th, 2024 at 4:26pm	Print Post
	Greetings, I am taking an informal survey. I am starting to look into organizing a 3 day rimfire match in the Winter of 2026 at The Ben Avery Range in Phoenix, AZ. I know seems a bit far off, but putting something like this together is going to take some work. Courses of fire will include Benchrest, Cross Stick and Offhand using ASSRA rules and targets. There may also be some local flavor and/or side matches also. Thoughts, ideas, feedback and discussion is appreciated. Thank You, Scott

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4570mike Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 410 Location: On the Peninsula Joined: Apr 11^th, 2013	Re: Rimfire National Match? Reply #1 - Oct 17^th, 2024 at 7:56pm	Print Post
	What month? Never been there. Are there places to stay nearby? Mike.


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watchthewind Oldtimer Offline Posts: 993 Location: Phoenix, AZ Joined: Mar 10^th, 2015	Re: Rimfire National Match? Reply #2 - Oct 17^th, 2024 at 10:15pm	Print Post
	Thinking January or February. Plenty of lodging close buy. Can also camp.

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RSW Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1238 Location: Arizona Joined: Sep 8^th, 2006	Re: Rimfire National Match? Reply #3 - Oct 18^th, 2024 at 11:57am	Print Post
	A national .22RF match is a great idea. Holding it at Ben Avery Shooting Facility in Arizona during the "WINTER" is perfect That's when the shooting weather in the Az desert is at its best. I assume it will be on the Bench Rest range so there are over 50 shooting benches. You might throw a few photos of the range on the forum so folks can get a feel of how the range is laid out. The BASF is located right off the I-17 freeway, so access is a breaze and with on-site camping and lots of hotel/motels & restaurants in the Phoenix area, accommodations are not at all a problem. Your proposed shooting program looks like it will offer plenty events from which to choose. Will there be an overall champion are will the individual matches each have winners and prizes? Good luck with your planning and let me know if I can help (maybe a couple of nice King targets?)

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westerner Frequent Elocutionist Offline deleted posts and threads record holder. Posts: 11727 Location: Why, out West of course Joined: May 29^th, 2006	Re: Rimfire National Match? Reply #4 - Oct 18^th, 2024 at 12:21pm	Print Post
	Scott, what incentives do you plan to offer?

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watchthewind Oldtimer Offline Posts: 993 Location: Phoenix, AZ Joined: Mar 10^th, 2015	Re: Rimfire National Match? Reply #5 - Oct 18^th, 2024 at 12:59pm	Print Post
	westerner wrote on Oct 18^th, 2024 at 12:21pm: Scott, what incentives do you plan to offer? Fame, fortune, groupies..... take yer pick

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watchthewind Oldtimer Offline Posts: 993 Location: Phoenix, AZ Joined: Mar 10^th, 2015	Re: Rimfire National Match? Reply #6 - Oct 18^th, 2024 at 1:05pm	Print Post
	Randy thank you for your generous offer I really do appreciate it! You're right Ben Avery is a world class shooting facility. The Benchrest Range easily accommodates 50 participants. I'm planning on limiting the event to 50 participants. No one like sitting around waiting to shoot. I'm also thinking about having a swap meet on the practice day before that events start. Let's see if we can generate interest to make this all happen. Scott

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westerner Frequent Elocutionist Offline deleted posts and threads record holder. Posts: 11727 Location: Why, out West of course Joined: May 29^th, 2006	Re: Rimfire National Match? Reply #7 - Oct 18^th, 2024 at 1:50pm	Print Post
	watchthewind wrote on Oct 18^th, 2024 at 12:59pm: westerner wrote on Oct 18^th, 2024 at 12:21pm: Scott, what incentives do you plan to offer? Fame, fortune, groupies..... take yer pick Scott, that was a serious question. I would appreciate a serious answer. Take all the time you need.

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watchthewind Oldtimer Offline Posts: 993 Location: Phoenix, AZ Joined: Mar 10^th, 2015	Re: Rimfire National Match? Reply #8 - Oct 18^th, 2024 at 2:09pm	Print Post
	In all seriousness.....here we go. It's a match in a warm climate while the rest of the country is cold/under snow. If one of the premier rimfire manufacturers helps that'd be cool. Maybe some folks from the single shot world? There will with trophies and maybe some $ from side matches. Perhaps a dinner that Sunday at a local German Restaurant/Bier Garten. I'm just feeling things out. What sort of incentive are you looking for?

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westerner Frequent Elocutionist Offline deleted posts and threads record holder. Posts: 11727 Location: Why, out West of course Joined: May 29^th, 2006	Re: Rimfire National Match? Reply #9 - Oct 18^th, 2024 at 2:32pm	Print Post
	Do you realize what sort of weather people will have to travel through to get to your warm weather national match? I'm feeling things out too, Scott.

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watchthewind Oldtimer Offline Posts: 993 Location: Phoenix, AZ Joined: Mar 10^th, 2015	Re: Rimfire National Match? Reply #10 - Oct 18^th, 2024 at 2:44pm	Print Post
	westerner wrote on Oct 18^th, 2024 at 2:32pm: Do you realize what sort of weather people will have to travel through to get to your warm weather national match? I'm feeling things out too, Scott. Yes, I do I spent 28 years in Cleveland, Ohio. I've driven from Cleveland to Amherst, Massachusetts with the NY Thru Way closed due to winter conditions and needing to find alternative routes. I think it would be great to have a national match/get together at Ben Avery and Winter is the time to do it. With this location I could see it drawing, 22 BPCRA, ASSRA, ISSA and WSU members. It'd be pretty cool to see members of the different organizations on one range. Throw in a killer swap meet and celebration on Sunday.... Sounds like a great time!

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craigster Oldtimer Offline Posts: 736 Location: lost coast CA Joined: Feb 20^th, 2011	Re: Rimfire National Match? Reply #11 - Oct 18^th, 2024 at 2:50pm	Print Post
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Flatlander Oldtimer Offline Posts: 637 Location: Warm Arizona Joined: Apr 24^th, 2004	Re: Rimfire National Match? Reply #12 - Oct 18^th, 2024 at 7:17pm	Print Post
	I'm in. Let me know dates and how to sign up. Flatlander

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watchthewind Oldtimer Offline Posts: 993 Location: Phoenix, AZ Joined: Mar 10^th, 2015	Re: Rimfire National Match? Reply #13 - Oct 18^th, 2024 at 7:48pm	Print Post
	Flatlander wrote on Oct 18^th, 2024 at 7:17pm: I'm in. Let me know dates and how to sign up. Flatlander Will do There will be info posted here and in The Journal.

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TomKlinger Full Member Online Posts: 129 Location: Central Florida Joined: Feb 17^th, 2019	Re: Rimfire National Match? Reply #14 - Oct 19^th, 2024 at 7:40am	Print Post
	Westerner, Sounds like you want to be paid to show up to the match!🙄 No one is that good….. Tom Klinger P.S. ever hear of flying?
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GT Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2143 Location: Northeast Wyoming Joined: Jun 28^th, 2015	Re: Rimfire National Match? Reply #15 - Oct 19^th, 2024 at 11:02am	Print Post
	Scott, Sounds like a good excuse for me to get out of Dodge when the weather is at its best here,... not really Dodge and not nice weather - just an idiom... And an excuse for a new build with a match to try it. Keep us posted. Greg Tom, that's a jab but that's funny!

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watchthewind Oldtimer Offline Posts: 993 Location: Phoenix, AZ Joined: Mar 10^th, 2015	Re: Rimfire National Match? Reply #16 - Oct 19^th, 2024 at 11:06am	Print Post
	GT wrote on Oct 19^th, 2024 at 11:02am: Scott, Sounds like a good excuse for me to get out of Dodge when the weather is at its best here,... not really Dodge and not nice weather - just an idiom... And an excuse for a new build with a match to try it. Keep us posted. Greg Tom, that's a jab but that's funny! Will do Greg. I'm fairly certain this match will go down. Whether 5 or 50 participants. I'd like to make this happen. Scott

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watchthewind Oldtimer Offline Posts: 993 Location: Phoenix, AZ Joined: Mar 10^th, 2015	Re: Rimfire National Match? Reply #17 - Jan 2^nd, 2025 at 8:03pm	Print Post
	Update I have spoken with Arizona State Rifle and Pistol Association. leadership. Looks like I can make this match happen. Still need to get a few folks to help with scoring and running the line. I've got a few leads (fingers crossed). Currently working on putting together courses of fire. Brainstorming sources for trophies/prizes. I think I'm on to something special. Hopefully next year at this time we will be preparing for our Inaugural Match. Happy New Year, Scott

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bnice Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1894 Location: Iowa Joined: Nov 30^th, 2006	Re: Rimfire National Match? Reply #18 - Jan 2^nd, 2025 at 9:25pm	Print Post
	hi Scott! Distances (100, 200), Irons or any sight or both, 20 shot or 50 shot matches? Hope it happens
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watchthewind Oldtimer Offline Posts: 993 Location: Phoenix, AZ Joined: Mar 10^th, 2015	Re: Rimfire National Match? Reply #19 - Jan 2^nd, 2025 at 9:33pm	Print Post
	For the first go of it I am looking to keep it simple. All events will be 100 yards with any sights. Match will be limited to 50 participants. I want to make sure it keeps moving and doesn't drag on.

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desertmoon Junior Member Offline Posts: 68 Location: Arizona Joined: Jul 8^th, 2019	Re: Rimfire National Match? Reply #20 - Jan 3^rd, 2025 at 6:17pm	Print Post
	Scott. I will actually show up just to watch and meet some of the Gang here. That would be fun! ( and you know how I despise the drive to the West Side ) ( My interests are in engineering, history, restoration/conservation and informal shooting...I have no competitive interests at all. )


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watchthewind Oldtimer Offline Posts: 993 Location: Phoenix, AZ Joined: Mar 10^th, 2015	Re: Rimfire National Match? Reply #21 - Jan 3^rd, 2025 at 10:04pm	Print Post
	Perhaps I can persuade you into helping with scoring or calling the firing line

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desertmoon Junior Member Offline Posts: 68 Location: Arizona Joined: Jul 8^th, 2019	Re: Rimfire National Match? Reply #22 - Jan 3^rd, 2025 at 11:30pm	Print Post
	watchthewind wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2025 at 10:04pm: Perhaps I can persuade you into helping with scoring or calling the firing line Oh, Holmes; I am just too darn drunk for that!
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watchthewind Oldtimer Offline Posts: 993 Location: Phoenix, AZ Joined: Mar 10^th, 2015	Re: Rimfire National Match? Reply #23 - Apr 3^rd, 2025 at 6:50pm	Print Post
	Course of fire and targets are pretty much worked out. Tweaking some particulars. We submit our request in June for match dates. When/if the match goes off it will be in January or February of 2026. Starting to research options for awards and banquette. Fingers crossed we get the dates.

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westerner Frequent Elocutionist Offline deleted posts and threads record holder. Posts: 11727 Location: Why, out West of course Joined: May 29^th, 2006	Re: Rimfire National Match? Reply #24 - Apr 3^rd, 2025 at 7:28pm	Print Post
	What format will you use? Open relays (Schuetzen), or timed shoulder to shoulder relays (smallbore)?

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watchthewind Oldtimer Offline Posts: 993 Location: Phoenix, AZ Joined: Mar 10^th, 2015	Re: Rimfire National Match? Reply #25 - Apr 3^rd, 2025 at 8:34pm	Print Post
	Timed shoulder to shoulder (with plenty of time). Thursday practice and swap meet. Friday Cross Stick Saturday Benchrest Sunday Offhand and Banquette
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rugerfishhuntnut Participating Member Offline Posts: 10 Location: Florida Joined: May 21^st, 2020	Re: Rimfire National Match? Reply #26 - Apr 5^th, 2025 at 3:08pm	Print Post
	Cool, would love to participate.


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watchthewind Oldtimer Offline Posts: 993 Location: Phoenix, AZ Joined: Mar 10^th, 2015	Re: Rimfire National Match? Reply #27 - Jun 22^nd, 2025 at 6:15pm	Print Post
	Just received word that we have been granted the requested dates. Further details to be posted soon 🎯

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TheLooseMoose Participating Member Offline Posts: 10 Joined: May 8^th, 2023	Re: Rimfire National Match? Reply #28 - Jun 25^th, 2025 at 5:41am	Print Post
	Limiting to 50 shooters seems constricted when considering you’re labeling this a “National “ match. Last year, the 22BPCRA Nationals attracted 160 shooters nationwide to attend the event at the NRA Whittington Center in Raton. If you’re serious about creating a “Nationals” event, then you ought to consider how to accommodate more than 50 competitors. $0.02


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watchthewind Oldtimer Offline Posts: 993 Location: Phoenix, AZ Joined: Mar 10^th, 2015	Re: Rimfire National Match? Reply #29 - Jun 25^th, 2025 at 9:53am	Print Post
	TheLooseMoose wrote on Jun 25^th, 2025 at 5:41am: Limiting to 50 shooters seems constricted when considering you’re labeling this a “National “ match. Last year, the 22BPCRA Nationals attracted 160 shooters nationwide to attend the event at the NRA Whittington Center in Raton. If you’re serious about creating a “Nationals” event, then you ought to consider how to accommodate more than 50 competitors. $0.02 I agree Moose. However, I’m concerned about this being the first match and don’t want it to flop. I’m uncertain about having volunteers to help score targets run the line etc…. The 22 BPCRA is a robust organization with support from inside it’s ranks. “Schuetzen” is not as popular as 22 BPCR. If we actually had 50 participants I would be quite pleased. We will see how this one goes and build from there

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beltfed Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1787 Location: Central Wi Joined: Dec 20^th, 2007	Re: Rimfire National Match? Reply #30 - Jun 26^th, 2025 at 11:07am	Print Post
	Tom I would Hate the idea of flying with guns Anyways, I am too ancient to be doing such a trip nowadays Even without guns involved, I Hate the idea of flying with all the stress in and out of airports, security, etc My wife and I are "retired from flying" beltfed/arnie


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watchthewind Oldtimer Offline Posts: 993 Location: Phoenix, AZ Joined: Mar 10^th, 2015	Re: Rimfire National Match? Reply #31 - Jun 26^th, 2025 at 1:21pm	Print Post
	When I return home from vacation I am going to approach some local gun shops about allowing participants to ship their rifles to them. Transfer will not be necessary it is going to it’s owner.

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watchthewind Oldtimer Offline Posts: 993 Location: Phoenix, AZ Joined: Mar 10^th, 2015	Re: Rimfire National Match? Reply #32 - Jul 1^st, 2025 at 6:22pm	Print Post
	See you in January
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watchthewind Oldtimer Offline Posts: 993 Location: Phoenix, AZ Joined: Mar 10^th, 2015	Re: Rimfire National Match? Reply #33 - Jul 2^nd, 2025 at 8:39pm	Print Post
	I hope to see this become more than just a match. I envision it being an event for those who love single shot. I'd like to see the artist and writers set up a booth on the day of the swap meet. How about all of the single shot disciplines and organizations (ie ASSRA, ISSA, WSU, 22BPCR, RMBPCR, etc...) set up a booth also? Folks can share memorabilia.
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Statesrights Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 373 Location: Virginia Joined: May 3^rd, 2016	Re: Rimfire National Match? Reply #34 - yesterday at 9:44am	Print Post
	Thanks for your initiative and WORK in getting this event underway, Scott. Shooting with 49 like-minded people in warm weather in winter sounds like plenty of incentive to me. More than that number would be crowded. 😉


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watchthewind Oldtimer Offline Posts: 993 Location: Phoenix, AZ Joined: Mar 10^th, 2015	Re: Rimfire National Match? Reply #35 - yesterday at 11:16am	Print Post
	Statesrights wrote yesterday at 9:44am: Thanks for your initiative and WORK in getting this event underway, Scott. Shooting with 49 like-minded people in warm weather in winter sounds like plenty of incentive to me. More than that number would be crowded. 😉 It'd be nice to see you and Freud out

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Andover Arms Junior Member Offline Posts: 66 Joined: Dec 24^th, 2017	Re: Rimfire National Match? Reply #36 - yesterday at 12:23pm	Print Post
	watchthewind wrote on Jun 26^th, 2025 at 1:21pm: When I return home from vacation I am going to approach some local gun shops about allowing participants to ship their rifles to them. Transfer will not be necessary it is going to it’s owner. I would double check on this, I'm not sure it is accurate if shipped to an FFL. May be better to ship to themselves at a "Care Of" person. Although non-FFL shipping of firearms is getting harder and harder based on shipper "policies".


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