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Problem with the Sharps
Sep 29th, 2024 at 3:38pm
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I was at a YCSA match yesterday & had just started on the last relay (rams).  After the 1st shot, which I missed, the block locked up (couldn’t lower it more than an inch or so).  After finagling with the action, it finally lowered.  I dropped the block out & did not spot a problem.  After reinstalling the extractor & block I finished the relay hitting the next 9 rams.  Thinking about it on the way home I figured the firing pin return spring may have broken allowing the firing pin to stay forward, preventing lowering the block.  After arriving home & attempting to remove the breechblock, it was locked up.  So, after some thought, I dropped a rod down the bore to ensure the firing pin was pushed back & was able to lower & remove the block.  What I found was a broken firing pin.  The broken front end of the pin protruded out of the firing pin hole & locked up the block.  I’m very surprised I was able to finish the match – not experiencing the lockup again & especially hitting the next 9 rams with a broken firing pin.   

I’ve shot about 5,000 rounds through the rifle prior to the pin breaking.  No doubt I stressed the pin many times due to forgetting to pull back the hammer prior to lowering the block between shots.

BTW, I ended up with a 29/40 (with 1 chicken).  I’m usually good on the laydowns but a shi??y chicken shooter.

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Re: Problem with the Sharps
Reply #1 - Sep 29th, 2024 at 5:27pm
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Wayne:

Ron Smith introduced me to putting an angled groove on the chamber lip so the firing pin will never snag.

If you forget to open the hammer before dropping the block the firing pin will slide down the groove and back into the block.

I have done it to all of my single shots (1874 Shiloh Sharps, Miller DeHaas, 1885 Winchester, Meachem Hoch, Steven 44 1/2, CPA, Falling Block Works) and have never snagged a firing pin even when I broke them.

Another benefit of the groove is it helps to safely expell the gas presuure if you ever have a case rupture as well.

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Re: Problem with the Sharps
Reply #2 - Sep 29th, 2024 at 8:33pm
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You don't say the brand but on my C Sharps, I have a broken FP almost once a year. I buy 4 pins and springs at a time and reorder when I use the third one. I am VERY careful to be sure to I move the hammer to half cock prior to opening the action. Failing to do that invites a broken pin. 

I have discovered a broken pin after finishing a relay and recall shots not going where I thought they should go. Erratic ignition is what I blame it on. 

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Reply #3 - Sep 29th, 2024 at 9:33pm
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MI-shooter wrote on Sep 29th, 2024 at 8:33pm:
You don't say the brand but on my C Sharps, I have a broken FP almost once a year. I buy 4 pins and springs at a time and reorder when I use the third one. I am VERY careful to be sure to I move the hammer to half cock prior to opening the action. Failing to do that invites a broken pin. 

I have discovered a broken pin after finishing a relay and recall shots not going where I thought they should go. Erratic ignition is what I blame it on. 

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It's a Shiloh Sharps 1874.

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Reply #4 - Sep 29th, 2024 at 9:40pm
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Schuetzendave wrote on Sep 29th, 2024 at 5:27pm:
Wayne:

Ron Smith introduced me to putting an angled groove on the chamber lip so the firing pin will never snag.

If you forget to open the hammer before dropping the block the firing pin will slide down the groove and back into the block.

I have done it to all of my single shots (1874 Shiloh Sharps, Miller DeHaas, 1885 Winchester, Meachem Hoch, Steven 44 1/2, CPA, Falling Block Works) and have never snagged a firing pin even when I broke them.

Another benefit of the groove is it helps to safely expell the gas presuure if you ever have a case rupture as well.

Dave


Dave,

That an excellent idea.  Thanks.

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Re: Problem with the Sharps
Reply #5 - Sep 29th, 2024 at 10:45pm
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Agreed!
SchuetzenDave - Any chance of you posting a picture of a chamber lip so modified. Thinking this is at the 6 O'clock position... I believe I understand, but as they say "a picture's worth a thousand words!" Smiley)
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Reply #6 - Sep 29th, 2024 at 11:17pm
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Picture of divot in extractor on CPA to prevent snagging of the firing pin.
Does not show well with the block in place.

I take less off to ensure enough of the extractor engages my case.

For rifles with extractors on the side I put a bit more of an agressive groove inclined on the bottom lip of the chamber mouth.

Use a dremmel tool to either cut a divot in the extractor or to put a groove on the chamber lip.

Prevents the breaking of firing pins from snagging and also prevents the block locking up when you do break a firing pin.
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Re: Problem with the Sharps
Reply #7 - Sep 30th, 2024 at 8:43am
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I've been there too. When a sharps won't open its usually a broken firing pin or sometimes the rare raised primer. Shiloh sells the replacements for about 15.00 if I remember right and no charge if you are the original owner. I'm religious about going to half cocktail before lowering the block but sometimes the pins just break.
  
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Re: Problem with the Sharps
Reply #8 - Sep 30th, 2024 at 9:13am
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Another way a Shiloh can hang up on opening is if the cover plate on the firing pin slides over a bit it will hang up the action.  I've never had it happen in all of my years shooting my Shiloh's but it happened to a good friend of mine.

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Re: Problem with the Sharps
Reply #9 - Sep 30th, 2024 at 2:57pm
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Thanks Schuetzendave for the picture...
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