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Sep 25th, 2024 at 5:50pm
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A dangerous question, I know. There are a gazillion opinions out here.

There are lots of choices so I'm curious is there maybe a ranking of 1-5 of the makers you would consider?

This will be for a CPA .38-55 on a Stevens 44.5 action. My CSA 40-70 SS has a Badger and my .38-55 Remington Rolling Block has a Green Mountain.

I saw one name, Bartlein, that I've not heard of before. CPA offers Shilen and Douglas but are open to alternates.

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Reply #1 - Sep 25th, 2024 at 6:22pm
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Reply #2 - Sep 25th, 2024 at 6:52pm
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All the barrels you have mentioned are good quality barrels. I have shot Badger, Green Mountain, Douglas, Shilen, Hart and a few unnamed ones over the years and all the name brand mentioned are good barrels. Accuracy has a lot to do with how you load for them. It is hard to really rank them because of the quality you have now. Don't think you could go wrong with any of them.



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Reply #3 - Sep 25th, 2024 at 7:05pm
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Don't forget BRC.
  
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Reply #4 - Sep 25th, 2024 at 7:08pm
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RKS precision machined with single point cutter (40 passes per groove) in stainless steel or moly with straight or gain twist with continuous choked taper from chamber to muzzle in calibers from .22 to .50 caliber with 1 to 8 grooves at your discretion with right hand or left hand twist.
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Reply #5 - Sep 25th, 2024 at 7:47pm
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Bartlein barrels are single point cut rifled and have a reputation for very good barrels. They cater to the short range benchrest crowd in particular, but their barrels seem to do well in other disciplines as well. In my opinion it's a crap shoot with any of the well known makers, roll the dice, and best of luck.
  

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Reply #6 - Sep 25th, 2024 at 8:03pm
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Jeff,

The question....."is there maybe a ranking of 1-5 of the makers you would consider?"

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Reply #7 - Sep 25th, 2024 at 8:23pm
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it's a crap shoot with any of the well known makers,

I have had about 25 RKS barrels made in multiple calibers and they all shot fantastically for me.

My .32 RKS barrel shot a 1245/1250 @ 200 yards on ASSRA targets and shoots 1/2 MOA with cast bullets.

How often do people who do not shoot well blame their equipment?

Ron Smith gave me a 6.5 barrel that the shooter had replaced because it would not shoot for him. 
I put that reject barrel on a Mauser 98 and had less than a 1/4 MOA accuracy with it.

I have also made custom rifles for hunters with RKS barrels.
Picture of a Caribou in the Yukon taken with one at 475 yards.
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Reply #8 - Sep 25th, 2024 at 8:29pm
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Depends on the caliber, twist, and rifling style you want, as well as Cro-Moly or Stainless.

In general, Here's where I'd put the top 5 barrel makers today (not in order of recommendation, they're all good), without consideration of caliber/twist/style:

Bartlein
Kreiger
Benchmark
Lilja
Hart

From there, the good makers, with commentary:

RKS - good option if you're in Canada.  In US, not so much so; shipping, cost, difficulty to buy.  Well recommended frequently by Schuetzendave here.
Green Mountain - good for in stock stuff, economical, dependable.  Caters to Cowboy action and BPCR somewhat with their stock.  Some of their stuff is economy grade, some premium.  Not really defined in their catalog which is which, but price give you a good clue.
McGowen - good barrels, somewhat hit and miss on quality and service, depending on who you talk to.  I've had good luck with them.
BRC - More oriented to Schuetzen, up and coming, well liked here on ASSRA.
Shilen - Old Standby.  Excellent barrels within their usual range of operation.
Douglas - Old Standby.  Excellent barrels within their usual range of operation.
Pac-Nor - Excellent barrels in my experience, somewhat limited in offerings since they're recovering from a major fire that wiped them out a while back.  
Mark Chanlynn- highly recommended by some builders, less market exposure.
Broughton - well respected in benchrest, less market exposure
Brux - well respected in benchrest, less market exposure 
Lothar Walther - well respected eurpopean, pain the rear to buy in US.

I don't think you could go wrong with any of the above makers, if you bought a barrel within their normal production expertise.  It really all depends on what you want, and pick a maker that can supply it at a price you can afford.

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Reply #9 - Sep 25th, 2024 at 11:58pm
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I've experimented with many barrels shooting lead bullets over the last forty years. Many but not all brands. The single most accurate barrel I've used is an RKS .32 gain twist at 13.5 inches, 6 groove.

Just acquired a rifle with a BRC barrel, my first. Still experimenting with loads but impressed with it so far. Put it away twice this fall thinking I was done with it but keep casting bullets and dragging it to the range for more testing. Last time I saw a BRC price list they were very reasonably priced.
  

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Reply #10 - Sep 26th, 2024 at 11:17am
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The responses here border on phenomenal…..thank you to all who offered their opinions and experiences!

Since I live under a rock, my barrel experiences are radically limited, compared to what I’m learning here. I have/had guns with only (6) after-market barrels, all shooting cast lead bullets. But I’ve never tested and compared different barrels on the same gun, like some of you have.
A custom revolver---Douglas
An XP-100, various chamberings---Shilen, Lilja, Benchmark
Rem Rolling Block---Green Mountain
A CSA Sharps Model 74---Badger

Now to decide which brand from the potential, new to me candidates above, that I need to ask CPA to provide on the rifle that I order.

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Reply #11 - Sep 26th, 2024 at 2:28pm
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CPA use to bring in RKS barrel blanks to put on their rifles when requested by the buyer.

Not sure what the new owners are willing to do.
  
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Reply #12 - Sep 26th, 2024 at 9:47pm
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Speaking of TKS. I talked with Ron this morning.  He said he is still putting some time in the shop. He also said that he gets 3 meals a day and 1/2 bed so what more could you ask for.
  

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Reply #13 - Sep 26th, 2024 at 10:50pm
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My cast bullet experience is with the following brands: Douglas, Shilen, RKS, Hart, Krieger, Ruger - Factory (#1, possibly a Douglas), Remington - Factory, Savage - Factory

In the factory barrel shooting, a chamber cast and custom mold is best. 

Among the custom barrels, the RKS gain twist barrel (.32-20 CPA) with a custom mold has a slight edge. This barrel has shot bullets from a dozen custom and factory molds in weights from 185 to 224 grains very well.

I believe the gunsmith cutting the chamber is an important factor. 

I also believe you can get a bad barrel from any manufacturer. How well they stand behind their barrel is another factor. 
  

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Reply #14 - Sep 30th, 2024 at 6:35pm
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Guys, is there more than one RKS barrel maker? I contacted the one I found and they only get involved with AR-15 barrels.

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Reply #15 - Sep 30th, 2024 at 10:08pm
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The one you want is in Canada.

RKS Enterprises Ltd.
P.O. Box 635
Wimborne, Alberta
T0M 2G0

Schuetzendave should have the phone number.
  

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Reply #16 - Sep 30th, 2024 at 10:36pm
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bpjack wrote on Sep 30th, 2024 at 10:08pm:
The one you want is in Canada.

RKS Enterprises Ltd.
P.O. Box 635
Wimborne, Alberta
T0M 2G0

Schuetzendave should have the phone number.


And, if you manage to buy a barrel from them, post the info on the experience here.  The how to, how long, etc.   

Not being negative; all I hear on here is from buyers that arrange to pick it up when they go to a match that the owner attends, or they have someone courier it, etc.  If there's a simple, straightforward way to get a barrel (call a number, or email, give a credit card #, and the barrel shows up x weeks later) it would be great information to have, and would probably enhance their US buyer business.

I can painlessly email or do a website order from Shilen, Douglas, Hart, Bartlein, Brux, Chandlyn, Green Mountain, Benchmark, Krieger, BRC, Pac-nor, as well as other less known makers.  I have never figured out how to do that with RKS, and would like to at some point.  The Canadian border shouldn't be that much of a barrier to get across!

I do understand that some high end craftsman are a bit different to do business with (like Harry Pope), but it makes it a lot easier if you don't have to be one of the insiders to just get a barrel.  Particularly when there's so many great makers out there that you can simply go to and get one.

  
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Reply #17 - Sep 30th, 2024 at 11:31pm
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I think I may have read somewhere he ships them out under the name "machined parts"? Not sure of this but I have always wanted to try a gain twist barrel myself.



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Reply #18 - Oct 1st, 2024 at 1:16am
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Canadian RKS barrel blanks are classified as machined parts and are not a rifle barrel and are shipped without any problem to the USA.

Once the barrel blanks are profiled, threaded for a receiver, and chambered for a caliber then they are rifle barrels that have restrictions for transferring across the border unless you are a rifle manufacturing company with importation certifications.

Any buyers easily purchase a rifle blank and then have an American gunsmith do the profiling, barrel threading and chambering to convert it into an offical rifle barrel.

CPA Rifles have mounted RKS barrel blanks on their receivers after they profile it and chamber it.
  
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Reply #19 - Oct 5th, 2024 at 6:02pm
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I'm ordering a CPA Stevens 44 1/2 in .38-55. Barrel will be a Bartlien, 1:12 twist, 30" long.

It will take about 6-months. I the meantime a dumb question.
Those of you who use this brand barrel in .38-55, what size do you make your cast bullets? I know I can slug it when I get it. But if I need to get a new Saeco sizing die, that can take more time than expected. My current Saeco die is 0.376".

Thanks for any help!

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That will be fine.
  

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In 2019 when the RKS clan last came to Spokane, Westerner and I both ordered barrels directly from Ron and he shipped them a couple of months later to Wes in Idaho no problems.   

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Reply #22 - Oct 13th, 2024 at 11:32pm
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I have a Bartlien on something.  Several Kriegers I'm happy with ... but they're all high pressure jacketed bullet rifles.

Straight holes, properly rifled and lapped ...

Most of them stainless... but HP jacketed modern garbage...
  
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Reply #23 - Oct 13th, 2024 at 11:38pm
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Sizing die???

I'm just a DA when it comes to single shots...

Cast to fit ... = ... custom mold...

Or maybe that's just for tapered bullets for breech seating???
  
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RKS .... Canada?
  
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Reply #25 - Oct 14th, 2024 at 10:20am
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RKS ENTERPRISES LTD
BOX 635 
WIMBORNE, ALBERTA, CANADA
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1-403-631-2405 Ron Smith

1- 403-507-1060 Gerald Smith

RKS barrels are NOT lapped because they have a continuous choke of .0004" from the breech to the muzzle which improves the accuracy of your cast bullets since gas cutting around the bullet cannot occur which can result in pressure variations or leading.

The RKS barrel rifling is done with precision machining with a single point cutter of 40 passess for each groove.

You  NEVER lap a RKS barrel or you destroy the choking enhancement of the barrel.

They are also the leaders in doing gain twist rifling which improves the life of high presure rifle barrels by 10 to 15% so the RKS barrels are highly used by F Class shooters as well.

You might want to look here at how many of the Top 50 Shot Cast Bullet Benchrest Shooters in the last 29 years used RKS barrels:      
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Reply #26 - Oct 14th, 2024 at 10:41am
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When Ron came to the Spokane Match. I would have him bring me the barrel.  Worked well......
  

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i have 3 or 4 rks barrels and they shoot fantastic, i have one i machined oct and is fit to a bullard in 22 lr. it is chambered and about ready to go bang. looking forward to it. just got a brc 45 cal in last week.  going to go on a rolling block for one of my long range shooters.   tony<><
  
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I have built three rifles with BRC barrels and all of them shoot well. One in 30 cal and the other two in 40. You can get a blank for I think 265.00. They machine and thread well.



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Reply #29 - Oct 14th, 2024 at 9:43pm
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In 2014 I went up to see Ron Smiths barrel making operation. Wonderful place to hang out if you like machine tools. Ron has so much stuff he don't even know what he has.  I was surprised when I noticed Ron is fond of horses.
  

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I don't feel quite as bad about the clutter in my shop, now.  But he probably does 50 times the amount of work that I do!
  
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Now that is a real old school working mans shop. Cluttered is an understatement but I bet he knows where everything is. Or maybe he doesn't...




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horse what horse?
  
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I am a fan of horses myself. And beads and rope and.............. Roll Eyes
  
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