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Loading an 1859 Sharps carbine
Sep 20th, 2024 at 10:17pm
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I have acquired a Shilo Sharps 1859 carbine. I've shot a lot of muzzleloaders and a fair number of BPC rifles. A rule I've always lived by is No gap between powder and ball. If I drop a bullet into the chamber and fill her up, I must be putting in 100 plus grains of powder. Not fun. I know it was made to take paper cartridges,  the paper takes up room and keeps the ball on top of the powder. I really don't want to do all of that. I can also add filler between bullet and powder. My friend who is often right says not to worry about it. Just put in 50 grains of powder and shoot. What do you guys say?
  

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Re: Loading an 1859 Sharps carbine
Reply #1 - Sep 21st, 2024 at 11:02am
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I make up the paper cartridges for my Pedersoli Berdan Rifle because it’s less messy overall and also because loading with loose powder seems to aggravate the incidence of gas cutting in the breechblock, at least from the reports I read.

But those who do use loose powder just dump the 50-60 gr worth behind the bullet close the lever, cap and fire.  Even with a paper cartridge, there is plenty of empty space in the chamber and breechblock cavity.  If you filled the chamber with loose powder, it would fall back into the block cavity when the breech is closed, so there would still be an “air gap.”  I’ve never heard of any chamber ringing phenomena associated with this practice.

You might research the “1863 Support Forum” on the Shiloh Sharps site and also the appropriate forums on the N-SSA site.  Plenty of info there on the management of Sharps percussion guns.
  
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Re: Loading an 1859 Sharps carbine
Reply #2 - Sep 24th, 2024 at 7:07am
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Many years ago I owned a Sile brand 1859 and I dump loaded it all the time and never had a problem. Biggest problem I did have was after a few shots the breech would get stuck and not want to open. Even with paper cartridges it would do it. The gate mechanism was supposed to be forced forward when you fired sealing off the chamber but was so tight in the block the fouling would cause it to stick. I worked on that some and it got better. Just one of those things you have to get used to when shooting those guns.


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Reply #3 - Sep 24th, 2024 at 8:16am
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It is well worth the effort to roll your own paper cartridges.   Just works a lot better.   I nitrate my paper and roll tube tight with the bullet, glue it with tacky glue which dries very quickly.   Then pour in 60 or so grains of powder and glue a disc of cigaret paper in the back end.   I make my tubes so that they come right to the rear of the chamber.   It sounds like a lot of work but it goes pretty quickly once you get the hang of it.
I shoot an original carbine and a Shiloh Infantry Rifle and they both do well this way.   I never had much luck with loose powder.

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Reply #4 - Sep 24th, 2024 at 12:12pm
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Although I make linen cartridges for my sharps, I have had some interest in using these at the range.  These could interest you.  Let us know if you try them.    yoresupply.com
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