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1885 Low Wall .22 LR Benchrest Rifle
Sep 11th, 2024 at 4:49pm
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Anybody around here have one? What's been your experience...the good the bad and the ugly Smiley
  

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Re: 1885 Low Wall .22 LR Benchrest Rifle
Reply #1 - Sep 11th, 2024 at 5:13pm
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I have a low wall with a heavy Stevens Pope (post Pope serial number).  The 27 7/8" octagon barrel measures 1.259 at the action and 1.235 at the muzzle.  It shoots very well.  Not my offhand rifle though.
  

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Reply #2 - Sep 11th, 2024 at 5:40pm
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Thanks Jack Smiley Do you shoot any benchrest matches with it?
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Reply #3 - Sep 11th, 2024 at 7:13pm
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I shot it at the ISSA NW regional and the RKS bench match in Spokane last July but did not do as well as I should have.  I will be shooting it again at Tacoma in a couple of weeks if I can break away from my nursing duties after my wife’s open heart surgery.  She  is doing great and would probably like me to leave her be for a short time.
  

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Reply #4 - Sep 11th, 2024 at 8:24pm
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I wish your wife a speedy recovery  Smiley
  

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Reply #5 - Sep 11th, 2024 at 8:29pm
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You and me both!  The good news is that she is ahead of schedule.  I should be able to spend a half day at Tacoma and be able to shoot the 50 shot CF match and the 10 shot 100yd .22 bench.
  

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Reply #6 - Sep 11th, 2024 at 9:34pm
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That barrel is a whopper but somehow works. Best wishes to your wife. Mine has been blessed with good health so far but you never know. Things can change quickly sometimes.





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Reply #7 - Sep 11th, 2024 at 10:21pm
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Thanks.  Her aortic valve had a congenital defect and doctors have been monitoring it for years and finally determined it needed replacement.  Kind of scary but the surgeon said if was a low risk operation but a fairly lengthy recovery.  Next Wednesday will be 6 weeks and she can lift 25 lbs instead of the current 10.  And she will be cleared to drive.  He said it takes  about a year for the sternum to reach 90% of pre surgery fusion.
  

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Reply #8 - Sep 12th, 2024 at 7:41am
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happy to hear that you wife is recovering well, I was born with a bicusped aoritic valve, still dealing with it. good luck in your match , should you go.

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Re: 1885 Low Wall .22 LR Benchrest Rifle
Reply #9 - Sep 13th, 2024 at 9:59pm
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Back to the low wall question…not many folks love their low walls more than I do, but the arrangement of the extractor is at best tricky and at worst frustrating to deal with. They aren’t as steady in position as other designs.  If I were to pick an action on which to build a very accurate 22, the low wall (sadly) would not be my first choice.  Undecided
  
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Reply #10 - Sep 13th, 2024 at 10:49pm
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Had a friend (now deceased) that had a M52 Win. that wouldn't shoot to his liking so he had it re barreled and some other work done to as he would say "slick it up some" but at some point still wasn't to his liking so he got frustrated and placed a hose clamp yes an automotive type hose clamp on the barrel and started winning the local club bench rest matches to the point someone protested his "hose clamp rifle" and it was actually banned from competition. We had such a laugh over the gun and not the shooter being banned. I shot the rifle in a few matches and it had one of the smoothest actions much better than my CZ 452. I know it is a bolt action but they are good robust actions to build on. Sure miss that old man...


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Reply #11 - Sep 13th, 2024 at 11:29pm
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My low wall is not the easiest to extract fired cases.  They would eject far enough to be easy to pick out but with a scope they are hard to reach.  At first I would raise the block to make it easier to grab but that caused the hammer to retract opening a hole for the case to fall into.  One case falls in and gets crushed enough for the rifle to function for months.  Don’t ask how I know.  A second one and it is time to disassemble the action. Now I use a 4 prong grabber to pluck it out.  I have a heavy barreled Ballard that gives the low wall a run for the money in the accuracy department.  It is better suited to .22 rf.  The low wall just looks cooler.  My next step is to fit it with a set trigger.  I am just waiting on a trigger adjustment screw.  I will probably not look for a low wall hammer with fly but just mill the 1/2 cock notch off a spare hammer I have.   

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Reply #12 - Sep 14th, 2024 at 11:30am
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Reply #13 - Sep 14th, 2024 at 1:40pm
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[ I will be shooting it again at Tacoma in a couple of weeks if I can break away from my nursing duties after my wife’s open heart surgery.  She  is doing great and would probably like me to leave her be for a short time.  [/quote]

Jack, your wife at some point, might like to have a spot like we have here in my little town. Grin
Wishing her (and you) the best!

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Reply #14 - Sep 14th, 2024 at 3:09pm
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She is doing very well and is eagerly awaiting next Wednesday when her doctor said she could resume driving.  Unfortunately the Tacoma match was canceled due to the match director having heart issues.
  

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Reply #15 - Sep 15th, 2024 at 11:42am
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Reply #16 - Oct 3rd, 2024 at 12:39pm
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I realize this thread is several months old...but I am new to the forum, and ask your grace. I have a Low Wall( 1912 manufacture) that is a project. Not collectable...Chambered 25-20SS, barrel is a sewer pipe...and I am tired of waiting on new cases to be made. 

I have considered the following for a recut barrel or relining:
32-20, 32H&R, 22 Hornet or K-Hornet...or .22 Mag...What are your considered opinions? DeHass shows a few Low Walls in his Single Shot book built to Hornets....but I DO NOT want to have to worry about tearing up my action...as I plan to shoot it...A LOT. The rifle will be scoped.
  
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Reply #17 - Oct 4th, 2024 at 3:56pm
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Reply #18 - Oct 5th, 2024 at 1:04pm
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my lo wall started life as a Winder. previous owner put a single set on it, had a Krieger 1" barrel put on, shotgun butt with model 70 buttplate. with my 12x unertl and SK rifle match it will shoot one inch groups all day. i have to make sure the rim does not get behind the extractor  Smiley
  
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please educate me
Reply #19 - Oct 5th, 2024 at 3:06pm
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1 inch groups all day 

at 100 yards?

is this good? great ? average for a heavy barrel ?

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hose clamp location
Reply #20 - Oct 5th, 2024 at 3:16pm
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do we assume hose clamp tensioned barrel against forend?

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Reply #21 - Oct 5th, 2024 at 4:57pm
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Skalkaho  We all are getting older, each of us on the planet, one day at a time, the newborn child to the 100 year old matriarch. The difference being, the closer to the natural end of our stay here, the faster a day seems to pass, and we tend to spend more time contemplating both the past, and the unknown future. To me, the way it should be.
  

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Reply #22 - Oct 6th, 2024 at 11:00am
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For JKZ with the shot-out Low Wall,

I’ve picked up a lot of junker Low Walls and assembled many from parts, as at one time, they were about the most available and affordable of the “good” single-shot actions.

They were/are in .22 Hornet, .218 Bee, .218 Mashburn Bee, .25-20 SS and WCF, .25-25, .32-20, .32 Long CF, .38-40 and .44-40, either as original, relined or rebarreled.

I had the Mashburn Bee set back and rechambered for Hornet because Bee cases were harder to find than Hornet cases, and a lot of them would fail in the fireforming step.  In my feckless youth, I would load both up until the primer pockets loosened after a couple firings.  All others were fired with full-house book loads.  None has ever shown any signs of breaking down or damage by any load I’ve fired in them.  The .218 Bee standard chambering that I found had two beads of weld down the back of the breechblock to tighten it against the barrel breech when I got it, but it fired all the loads I put through it without any further trouble.  No other damage seemed to have been done; if the receiver was stretched open, it wasn’t noticeably so.  I sold that one not because I was worried about it but because Bee cases are relatively hard to find whereas I had a lot of Hornet cases, and because, practically speaking, the Bee doesn’t do anything for me that the Hornet won’t do, except cost more to shoot.

Anyway, the point I’m trying to make is that the sudden discovery by modern computer-aided engineering of the fragility of the Low Wall is not something that I’ve experienced, and I’ve had a lot of experience.  I wouldn’t chamber one in .32-40, .38-55, .44 Magnum or any of the modern mutant small-to-medium high-pressure cartridges based on the .357 Maximum, but the standard factory offerings and those recommended by deHaas would all be fine with me.

All the cartridge cases you mention are not exactly there for the picking up any more.  If I was you, I’d do some scrounging for .25-20 SS cases, try a few loads in your sewer-pipe barrel, maybe accompanied by some fire-lapping, and if it really is hopeless (sometimes it’s surprising how well a “sewer-pipe” bore will shoot), reline it to .25 caliber and rechamber for the .25-20 SS.  The only one on your list I wouldn’t mess with is the .32 Magnum, because the .32-20 is practically equivalent, cases and dies are easier to find, and it’s head-and-shoulders Cooler than the modern case.
  
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Re: 1885 Low Wall .22 LR Benchrest Rifle
Reply #23 - Oct 6th, 2024 at 11:34am
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Don't know exactly why my buddy put the hose clamp on his barrel. Don't know whether it was the location or maybe a "tensioning" thing. All I know is once he got it dialed in it would shoot rings around most of the other shooters rifles. I think he spent a lot of time trying different ammunition too. For whatever reason that thing would shoot.



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