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Supplementary aiming point?
Aug 1st, 2024 at 3:45pm
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Are supplementary aiming points allowed on All American benchrest targets? I have scoured the rule book and not found a distinct answer.
  
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Reply #1 - Aug 1st, 2024 at 4:33pm
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What is your question? What is a supplementary aiming point?
  

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Reply #2 - Aug 1st, 2024 at 4:51pm
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Aim at a point to your liking, sights adjusted point of bullets impact center on the record target. Example bullseye service pistol holding bottom of the bull, bullet strike center.

It’s a common technique can’t say if it’s legal ASSRA.

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Reply #3 - Aug 1st, 2024 at 4:55pm
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Can I add an aiming point to an official target in competition?
  
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Reply #4 - Aug 1st, 2024 at 5:08pm
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Can’t see any advantage to holding point pictured in a number scored match. Group size scored target it might have possibilities    

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Reply #5 - Aug 1st, 2024 at 5:10pm
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  I would have to allow that as long as is was removed before turning the target in and it did not deface the target. I certainly don't see what possible use it can be, but to each his own, I guess.
  

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Reply #6 - Aug 2nd, 2024 at 7:52am
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Thank you.
  
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Reply #7 - Aug 2nd, 2024 at 7:52am
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They used to do that shooting bench rest in the old days.  They called it “the bud.”

Sometimes they would have a line of them across the target and select the one appropriate to the strength and direction of the wind.

In one of Lucian Cary’s stories, J. M. Pyne set his target up with a line of “buds.”
  
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Reply #8 - Aug 2nd, 2024 at 8:30am
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I can see where it could theoretically be an aid in defeating mirage on a hot sunny day when the target image starts "floating". But, how would one quantify that so that shots aimed at the bud land in the center of the bullseye?

Also, perhaps, an alternative aiming point can obviate the need for sighting elevation adjustment with the bud placed low or high depending on distance to target versus distance at which one is sighted in for. 

Solutions, I fear, which are based on many deleterious variables....
  
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Reply #9 - Aug 2nd, 2024 at 8:50am
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I have always wanted to try this for long range shooting..set up target at 50 or 100yds...and a large cardboard backer at whatever long range you desire..300 to 1000yds out.  closer range target gives you a precise aiming point..large backer catches bullets for group.
  
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Reply #10 - Aug 2nd, 2024 at 9:51am
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Why add the green dot to aim at as a supplementary point of aim.

I use the top or bottom edge of the outer red ring on the target as the supplementary sighting point.

I can see using the larger dot if you have a 1 MOA dot in your crosshairs.

Do not need that large an aiming point if you get a scope with fine crosshairs and a 1/10 MOA dot.
Burris custom built my scope to have a finer crosshair and a 1/10 MOA dot.
  
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Reply #11 - Aug 2nd, 2024 at 10:22am
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Clearly Boomer is planning on shooting some small groups, doesn’t want to shoot out his point of aim.

I look forward to seeing them. Smiley
  
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Reply #12 - Aug 2nd, 2024 at 11:57am
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How about an entire target frame as a supplemental point of aim. One year at Tommy’s range during an iron sight match Ron Smith used the target frame to the left of his record targets to use black targets (non ISSA I guess) to sight on and having the bullets impact the record targets on the adjacent frame.
  

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Reply #13 - Aug 2nd, 2024 at 12:43pm
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For me, it’s all about my failing vision. It seems common sense to me, that a smaller target promotes better definition of centering a crosshair or dot. To date my groups are certainly nothing to brag about, BUT, on many occasions I do shoot out or nearly shoot out the 1/2” adhesive dot or it falls off the target. Lately, I have been displacing the dot 2” at 6 o’clock and adjusting sights to hit the bull above or below. I would like to do the same in competition and why I asked.
  
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Reply #14 - Aug 2nd, 2024 at 1:00pm
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As another test this morning, I shot this group with my point of aim being 6 o’clock on the white 25 ring. It worked out very well for me in bright morning sunlight directly on the target. An hour later, in lesser sun, that point of aim  was useless as it blurred in just a couple seconds. Just trying to do the best I can with changing vision.
  
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