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50-110 Sharps
Jul 29th, 2024 at 8:30am
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I am thinking of trying a heavier charge in my C. Sharps 50. It has a 2.5 chamber and as I understand the limited information I have, the same case was loaded with 90, 100, or 110 grs of BP. Loading the same 450 gr grease-groove bullet I have with 90 and 100 grs I get better accuracy with 100.

Anyone have more details of the loading with the 110 gr charge? Same bullet weights or a lighter bullet like the 50-110 Winchester?
  

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Reply #1 - Jul 29th, 2024 at 1:03pm
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Make a nice prairie dog rifle. I’d reach out to the USN ordnance folks it’s closer to their experience 
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Reply #2 - Jul 30th, 2024 at 2:43am
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burntwater wrote on Jul 29th, 2024 at 1:03pm:
Make a nice prairie dog rifle. I’d reach out to the USN ordnance folks it’s closer to their experience 
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Really? Why? The 50-110 is not a military cartridge.
  

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Reply #3 - Jul 30th, 2024 at 5:12am
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the only reference I found of a 50-110 Sharps uses a 335gr bullets.

(on the same 2.5" shell, th 50-100 uses 425gr , 473 gr and 500gr bullets, and the original 50-90 was loaded with a 473gr bullet))

from Sharps Firearms Vol III, by Roy Marcot et al.
  
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Reply #4 - Jul 30th, 2024 at 3:20pm
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SchwarzStock, I'd bet that you missed burntwater's implication that a 50-110 was likely to be found in a turret on a fighting ship. I remember meeting a guy who brought back a liberated Winchester in 50-110 from Nam. Tiger rifle or rogue elephant?
  
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Reply #5 - Aug 1st, 2024 at 6:50am
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freebird wrote on Jul 30th, 2024 at 5:12am:
the only reference I found of a 50-110 Sharps uses a 335gr bullets.
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Are you sure you mean the Sharps 50-110 and not the Winchester?

In Volume II of Marcot's book you mentions 50-100-473, 50-105-425, and 50-120-473. In volume III Marcot adds the 50-100-500 to the previously listed cartridges.

I think I will bump up to the 105gr charge.

Again, I ask if anyone has hands-on experience loading the "Big Fifty"?
  

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Reply #6 - Aug 2nd, 2024 at 5:47am
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Yes, I'm sure I'm talking about Sharps ctdge, as my reference to Marcot's book implies.

You wanted to know if it was originally loaded with a lighter projectile, it very much seems so and I only transfered the information ( p 361 of Sharps Vol 3)
  
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Reply #7 - Aug 2nd, 2024 at 8:10am
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I have and currently shoot a Farmingdale Sharps 50/140 a with a 725gr. Paper patch bullet. I have black powder duplex load data if you’re interested. Very accurate.
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P.S. it has a little recoil….
  
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Reply #8 - Aug 2nd, 2024 at 10:56am
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ThXX Tom.

I have used a duplex load in my 50-70 often for hunting in AZ. Here it is not so dry so with the "Baby 50" I shoot pure Swiss. The "Big 50 is another matter. I have not found magnum primers to help in fouling control at all. My last load used D060 under Swiss 2F. I just bumped the BP charge to 90grs. Have to wait until next week to try it. My Schuetzenverein is open Tuesday and Thursday while the Jaegerverein is open Wednesday and Friday. The bad thing at the Schuetzenverein is the lighting, during the winter it is almost impossible to shoot opens sights since the range opens at 7 PM..
  

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Reply #9 - Aug 2nd, 2024 at 1:13pm
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I shoot 130g 2f Swiss over 10g shotgun powder. Compress about 100 thou. Poly wad, 250thou grease wad, card wad then bullet.
Load, take aim and hang on Grin  no fowling control needed with this load. The rifle is the “business rifle” it weighs 10lb. Very good hunting load.👍
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Reply #10 - Aug 5th, 2024 at 3:07am
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I have a 15lb C. Sharps, straight grip, rifle butt and from a bench even the lightest charge I shoot gets "un-fun" quickly. I do not envy you touching off that load in a 10lb gun
  

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Reply #11 - Aug 6th, 2024 at 12:12pm
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Track of the Wolf sells 1/8" thick .512" wads that you can stack over reduced charges to eliminate the air space, and get the correct compression you want with lighter loads. I used them to make up loads that are 120 grains of Swiss 1.5fg for my .50-140 and made a very acceptable load for my 15 lb. Sharps.
  

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Reply #12 - Aug 7th, 2024 at 12:28pm
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I have just stacked self-cut milk carton wads to get the OAL and compression.
  

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Reply #13 - Aug 7th, 2024 at 1:13pm
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That works, but takes far too many milk carton wads to even get 10 grains of reduction, let alone 20 grains
  

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Reply #14 - Aug 8th, 2024 at 2:38am
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Although I like Track I don't order much from them, shipping is pretty high for me and very slow. The only US company that gets stuff quickly to me is Summit Racing, typically 3 working days. I don't know why other companies can't do that. I have found with Track and a couple of other companies I am better off to have them send something to a friend or relative in the US and then have them remail it. An addition advantage is they can remove all the garbage packaging and get things in smaller boxes.

There is also the "minimum order" and "minimum shipping" that affects me as well. Both are gotten around with remailing bot sometimes I just "bite the bullet" and pay the local price when available....
  

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Reply #15 - Aug 10th, 2024 at 6:56pm
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To reduce loads in my 500-450 #2 a member gave me a tip to use amaranth seed filler between the powder and a single under bullet wad. It is very hard and light, meters like a ball powder and passes the compression on between the wad and the powder. Since the 500-450 is a BN, out of caution I only use what fills the straight part of the neck which wouldn't matter in a straight case. That is, only where you could use a stack of wads.
  
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