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Jun 26th, 2024 at 10:46pm
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Day 1 RKS Benchrest 200 yards: 5 targets scope and 3 targets irons
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Reply #1 - Jun 27th, 2024 at 12:38am
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Thanks for posting. I was unable to attend this year.
  
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Reply #2 - Jun 27th, 2024 at 5:43am
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What GREAT scores and CLOSE competition! Well done all!
  
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Reply #3 - Jun 27th, 2024 at 7:38am
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Reply #4 - Jun 27th, 2024 at 11:45am
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Good shootin' Joe and Wayne!
  
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Reply #5 - Jun 27th, 2024 at 11:27pm
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Day 2 RKS Benchrest 200 yards: 5 targets scope and 3 targets irons
  
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Reply #6 - Jun 28th, 2024 at 3:44pm
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Is this Mel Harris's first Spokane shoot?

I haven't talked to him in a while.
  

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Reply #7 - Jun 28th, 2024 at 3:57pm
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Mel is the only one I have never shot with before. 
Could be his first time.
I haven't seen you at Tommy's in awhile Frank.
  
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Reply #8 - Jun 28th, 2024 at 5:36pm
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Dave, I quite shooting, all together, about 4 yrs ago.

I basically got Mel shooting SS again, when I was going up to Roseburg, OR and shooting in his CBA matches. Mel,holds or held about 15 CBA records or, more. Give him another match or two, to dope the range and he'll be at the top of the standing off the bench.

I'll have to give him a call when he gets back, to see what the IS issue is. CBA doesn't use IS in their target rifles.

If your at the match, be sure and say "HI" to Grampa and all the Canadians for me. I do miss being there.
  

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Reply #9 - Jun 29th, 2024 at 12:16am
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Day 3 RKS 100 yard 10 target rimfire:
  
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Reply #11 - Jun 29th, 2024 at 12:18am
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RKS Benchrest Grand Aggregate:
  
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Reply #12 - Jun 29th, 2024 at 1:02am
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The Canadian Team is only represented by Wayne Tellier and Will Harrison who have represented our nation well. 
Congratulations to all the fabulous shooters at one of the best single shot shooting competitions around with the fabulous support and facilities of Tommy Mason. 
Long term friendships are ever lasting.
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Reply #13 - Jun 29th, 2024 at 1:28am
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Somebody needs to recheck Steve Barbers IS aggregate. It's posted as 139, but on the original posted sheet it totals to 1395.
  

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Reply #14 - Jun 29th, 2024 at 10:07am
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Steve noticed this morning and will get it corrected. No correcting my 9 shot scope target on Thursday.  Fun time for all.  I did win the Zimmer match king target with Gary Miller’s Zimmerstuten    

Only half the shooters we had pre Covid.  3 more showing up for the ISSA regional. 
 

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Reply #15 - Jun 29th, 2024 at 12:52pm
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Jack, what's the reason Tommy not shooting?
  

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Reply #16 - Jun 30th, 2024 at 3:41am
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Tommy Mason introduced intensive benchrest competitions for those wishing to improve their skills to become International Schuetzen Benchrest Champions. 
Mel a new shooter demonstrates he has exceptional skills with a scope calling the wind, holding off and consistent bench techniques. 
So how does one improve their acuity and precision using iron sights.
Young shooters have young eyes that have the ability to adjust to the amount of light and change focus automaticaly between short and long distances (front sight and target).
As we age we loose the ability of our eyes to adjust and we must learn how to balance and adjust for light and refine the focus between the front sight and target.
New young shooters believe they are better able to sight a target that fills the aperture.
However your eye improves it's acuity and precision if it gets enough light.
So we select a front aperture sight where the target fills one third to half of the aperture's area.
With the target not blocking the eye it gets more light and improves your acuity and precision.
Larger apertures makes your eye concentrate more on the front sight and your eye concentrates on centering the target. 
Smaller apertures makes your eye concentrate more on the target and you loose the ability to center it as well.
So the size of the aperture means you are both balancing light and changing the focus of your eye.
Lones Wigger the only shooter in the Olympic Hall of Fame advised the target can be a blur and if you have a stronger image of the front sight you will concentrate more on centering the target instead of your eye focusing back and forth between the sight and the target.
So having a sharp target is not the desireable thing to do.
To have a sharper front sight target focus I use apertures with thicker walls.
To maximize light and the acuity of your eye we also have rear sight apertures to make the most light available  - but not too much which will cause glare and impede your ability to sight.
To have the correct balance of light for your eye you need to adjust your sights as sunlight intensity changes when intercepted by clouds or as the sun goes up or down.
Rule of thumb: Sunlight is up - you need to adjust your sights up - raise the point you are aiming at to continue to have the appropriate point of aim.
I use an adjustable aperture in my front sight so I do not have to flip to different size fixed apertures.
I also refine the degree of focus by using an adjustable diopter.
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Reply #17 - Jun 30th, 2024 at 4:23am
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In 2008 I was the International Schuetzen Benchrest Champion although I could only see the iron sight target a third of the time because I had cataracts.
So without having a strong target picture or a targe image present two thirds of the time I was successful because I had learned how to balance my light and refine the focus of my iron sights.
  
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Reply #18 - Jul 2nd, 2024 at 11:53pm
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The shoot went well.  Today was the 20 shot any sight bench and offhand matches.   Sue miller won  the bench with a 492. 3 of us tied with 491s.  Wayne had 2 more centers than Joe and I so he got second.  Joe and had identical scores   248/243 with the same center count but I had a 24 that was farther away than Joes by about 2 thousandths so I got 4th.  Sue had a 25 that was 2 thousandths in.  So close to having 4 tied at 491.  Don’t ask about my offhand.  I forgot to take a picture of the scores.  Maybe somebody else did and will post the scores.   

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Reply #19 - Jul 4th, 2024 at 10:26am
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Thanks Dave on the IS tips.  I have a condition in eyes that produces to much oil,no cure for it.I just keep wiping my eyes,but nothing works. The IS is one hell of a challenge now,hadnt even tried iron for the last year.So need to go out and start testing your suggestions. Eye sight like having saran wrap covering your eyes.   Tommies Match is awesome, just fun to go shoot shoot shoot...... !
  

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Reply #20 - Jul 4th, 2024 at 12:23pm
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After having the orange bulls totally fade out after a couple of seconds, I switched to the black ones for the ISSA regional. It helped quite a bit but I was unable to see one of my 30 cal holes and lost 10 points. The 32 cal holes were not a problem. If I close the rear aperture too much I get a lightning shaped artifact coming from 1 o’clock to the center. When I looked through Wayne’s German diopter rear sight that has some magnification, all it did was sharpen the artifact. 

  

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Reply #21 - Jul 4th, 2024 at 2:34pm
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Jack, was the lighting bolt in the direction of the sun? If it was, it would give you a clue on how to hold as the sun goes over. 

The "light up" is also in conjunction with the suns overhead direction.
  

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Reply #22 - Jul 4th, 2024 at 2:38pm
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Also, I don't see any 25 cal scores. Did they drop the 25 class?
  

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Reply #23 - Jul 4th, 2024 at 4:06pm
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There was a 25 and a German. Only 2 German shooters. Next year the consensus was to shoot the German at 100 and have mixed .22 and CF to get more shooters.  I forgot to take photos of the rest of the scores. Hopefully someone did or we will have to wait until they get posted on the ISSA site 
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Reply #24 - Jul 4th, 2024 at 4:47pm
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That's a shame, regarding the German match!!!

How did your 25 Hornet do?
  

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Reply #25 - Jul 4th, 2024 at 5:30pm
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I only managed a third place  I am not the best reader of conditions.  We had some interesting ones all week.  I heard many WTF comments all week (including from me).
I verified my load the day before and it shot very well in calm conditions.
  

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Reply #26 - Jul 5th, 2024 at 10:36am
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Your not kidding Jack. A 5 shot group in an inch @200 yds looked pretty good with whatever 25 cal you were shooting. The conditions caught us all there.
  

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Reply #27 - Jul 8th, 2024 at 12:04am
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There are a lot of WTF comments until you learn to also pay close attention to the 200 yard flag at Tommy's range.

It took me a few years to figure that one out.

Donn Hanks clued me into that one on one of my WTF comments when the bullets never always reacted according to the wind changes on closer flags.
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Reply #28 - Jul 8th, 2024 at 12:27am
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I liked it when Wayne would set up his surveyor tripods  at 100+ yds and run then up as high as he could.  When I won the 20 shot scope bench in 2017 I had a repeatable condition with his flags and my close flag that I would shoot unless Tommy’s tall 100 yrd flags were streaming at more than 45 degrees.  The  flags were hardly moving for my whole 20 shots this year but the second target had the impacts going high right so much that I even adjusted the scope instead of holding off like I normally do.  Wayne, Joe and I shot 491s and Sue shot a 492 with one shot 1/32” in the 25 ring.
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Reply #29 - Jul 9th, 2024 at 10:36am
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Mel Harris won the .25 bench-485 8 centers Steve Barber 2nd 470? Jack Hewitt 3rd
  
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Reply #31 - Jul 10th, 2024 at 1:09pm
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The any sight bench was VERY close.  Yours truly lost out!

Sue said that Joe beat me for third by about .02".  She got first by the same amount.
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Reply #33 - Jul 11th, 2024 at 9:44am
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Wayne would have done better but lost his highest shot on one target and lost his two highest shots on the other target because he shot 11 and 12 shots.

Darn you get a bit forgetful when you are older.
  
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Wayne might have been going with my suggestion that we go to best 10 out of 12 scoring.  I did very well at the last 600 yard Tacoma match with 9 10s and 3 nines.  Offhand should be best 10 out of 20 on paper.  Group matches should be best 4 of 5 or 8 of 10.   Just sayin’

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bpjack wrote on Jul 11th, 2024 at 12:46pm:
Wayne might have been going with my suggestion that we go to best 10 out of 12 scoring.  I did very well at the last 600 yard Tacoma match with 9 10s and 3 nines.  Offhand should be best 10 out of 20 on paper.  Group matches should be best 4 of 5 or 8 of 10.   Just sayin’ - Jack


The present scoring system functions well and does not need altered. The present scoring system allows comparison with scores shot across the nation. We all understand there are days of low crosswind and great lighting encouraging greater scores. There are also days of varying crosswinds and changing cloud densities hampering greater scores.

A half-century ago when the High-Power scoring system went from the 5(V) to the 10(X) scoring rings, many peope were dismayed. "How will we ever be able to shoot a perfect score?" was the cry. Today the High-Power increased equipment capability and greater shooter ability creates perfect scores. 

With the present shortages of powder and primers, the equipment listings give the shooter possible powders and primers to explore when their treasured hoardings run out.

Note: The challenge is shooting against yourself and improving. This is part of my cure. I am shooting against myself from my scores before cancer. When they told me in August, 2016 that I had 90-120 days to live, one of my goals was to set another National Record. (If you don't have a dream, how can you have a dream come true?)
  

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Just kidding Bud.  I did learn from Sue how they handle ties and how the last target is the one used for tie breakers.  Wayne had more centers on his second target and mine had a shot furthest out.  I may change my strategy on which order I shoot them.
  

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Reply #37 - Jul 13th, 2024 at 12:32pm
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Sue Miller had a Ruger built for her in 32-40 by Jay Sullivan and instantly began shooting better scores.  This year she was the one to beat.  Gary decided to sit out the final day and concentrate on running the match.  I asked why he wasn’t shooting and he said he didn’t want to finish behind his wife …. again
  

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