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Snuffy Participating Member Offline Posts: 16 Joined: Apr 7^th, 2024	Barrel change Jun 26^th, 2024 at 6:50pm	Print Post
	Folks I am thinking about changing the barrel on a 45-120 rifle to a 45-70. Is this doable and who would be a good gunsmith to accomplish this task? Tennessee Snuffy


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Green_Frog Frequent Elocutionist Offline "It ain't easy being green" ASSRA Life #281 Posts: 4022 Location: Lynchburg, VA Joined: Apr 18^th, 2004	Re: Barrel change Reply #1 - Jun 26^th, 2024 at 7:12pm	Print Post
	Probably do-able. What action (brand) are you asking about?


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calledflyer Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 3566 Joined: Mar 9^th, 2015	Re: Barrel change Reply #2 - Jun 26^th, 2024 at 10:10pm	Print Post
	probably doable, like GF says, and it's a damn smart idea as well.


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gwahir Senior Forum Member Offline Ve gets too soon olt und too late shmart. Posts: 415 Location: montana Joined: Dec 31^st, 2005	Re: Barrel change Reply #3 - Jun 26^th, 2024 at 10:20pm	Print Post
	Might it be possible to set the barrel back a bit and re chamber?


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Snuffy Participating Member Offline Posts: 16 Joined: Apr 7^th, 2024	Re: Barrel change Reply #4 - Jun 27^th, 2024 at 7:37am	Print Post
	This is a Bill Bagwell built custom rifle with a sharps action. Barrel is 34" full bull Douglas with 1 in 20 twist Who would you recommend as a gunsmith to do the work?


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Deadeye Bly Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1057 Location: Stephens City Joined: Feb 25^th, 2011	Re: Barrel change Reply #5 - Jun 27^th, 2024 at 9:17am	Print Post
	You generally can't set a Sharps barrel back because the thread diameter is so large and the tulip is short but if it is a true full bull barrel it might be possible. Setting it back 2" will clean up the chamber and get away from the cutout for the lever spring hanger. Find a gunsmith that works on older single shots. A gunsmith for modern guns should not be your choice.


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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 16094 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: Barrel change Reply #6 - Jun 27^th, 2024 at 10:48am	Print Post
	Snuffy wrote on Jun 27^th, 2024 at 7:37am: This is a Bill Bagwell built custom rifle with a sharps action. Barrel is 34" full bull Douglas with 1 in 20 twist Who would you recommend as a gunsmith to do the work? I've sent actions and barrels to Pat Taylor at C. Sharps to be fitted and they do a great job at reasonable rates.

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oneatatime Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 3866 Location: Rocky Mountains Joined: Oct 30^th, 2011	Re: Barrel change Reply #7 - Jun 27^th, 2024 at 5:19pm	Print Post
	Is a 20 twist a mite slow for a 45-70?


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Jeff_Schultz ASSRA Board Member Offline Posts: 1604 Location: Ransomville, NY Joined: Apr 25^th, 2004	Re: Barrel change Reply #8 - Jun 27^th, 2024 at 6:34pm	Print Post
	Not at all, it was originally 22.

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SchwarzStock Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1162 Location: SchwarzWald Joined: Mar 23^rd, 2010	Re: Barrel change Reply #9 - Jun 30^th, 2024 at 6:35am	Print Post
	I have seen threaded inserts made to adapt barrels without sufficient diameter to set them back made. The new "Tulip" is part of the insert. Not the "purest" technique but if the gunsmith is a competent machinist it is doable. One I saw used the "Hartford Collar" profile to hide the insert in the gap between the tulip and the octagon flats. When I went to gunsmithing school they liked to say it was difficult to cover a wood mistake but impossible with metal. Not quite true but... Never understood why guys built 45-120's.

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jhm Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1457 Location: georgia Joined: Sep 4^th, 2011	Re: Barrel change Reply #10 - Jun 30^th, 2024 at 7:15am	Print Post
	I have a friend with a 45-120 Shiloh long range express with a lot of bells and whistles he waited three and a half years to get. He shot it a while in our local matches and was going to have it re barreled to 45-70 but it was worth more as a 45-120. He talked with Shiloh about doing the work and they talked him out of it and made him a deal on another one in 45-70. Had to wait six months on that one. This was several years ago when the backlog was so long. If it were mine I think I would try and find another one... JMH


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Ranch13 Oldtimer Offline Posts: 546 Location: East Central Wy. Joined: Jan 20^th, 2018	Re: Barrel change Reply #11 - Jun 30^th, 2024 at 9:27am	Print Post
	Most any gunsmith worthy of the title should be able to do the barrel change. Mind you we're not talking about a gun parts changer in this instance. I wonder tho with the loss of Bill a few years ago, and the reputation his rifles had for excellence if maybe leaving the rifle as is, and finding another rifle in 45-70 might not be the prudent move. The cost of rebarreling will run close to 1000$.


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ssdave Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1796 Location: Eastern Oregon Joined: Apr 16^th, 2004	Re: Barrel change Reply #12 - Jun 30^th, 2024 at 8:25pm	Print Post
	Did Bill do gunsmithing work himself, other than minor work? I always thought he shot rifles built by others. I know he originally shot Pedersoli's and eventually I think switched to Shiloh when they gave him one. If the rifle were mine to use, I'd rebarrel it to .45-70 or .45-90, and use a 17 or 18 twist. Or, if there's decent value and salability as a 45-120, sell it and buy a more suitable one.


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38-72 Junior Member Offline Posts: 98 Location: Lost In Washington State Joined: Aug 4^th, 2008	Re: Barrel change Reply #13 - Jun 30^th, 2024 at 9:50pm	Print Post
	marlinguy wrote on Jun 27^th, 2024 at 10:48am: Snuffy wrote on Jun 27^th, 2024 at 7:37am: This is a Bill Bagwell built custom rifle with a sharps action. Barrel is 34" full bull Douglas with 1 in 20 twist Who would you recommend as a gunsmith to do the work? I've sent actions and barrels to Pat Taylor at C. Sharps to be fitted and they do a great job at reasonable rates. Pat has worked on several of my rifles. He does an excellent job.


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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 16094 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: Barrel change Reply #14 - Jul 1^st, 2024 at 10:46am	Print Post
	Unless somebody has brass for longer .45 cartridges I'd never recommend having a gun or barrel made up in anything longer than .45-70 these days. There's so many guys who have purchased or had guns built for longer cartridges in recent years and then had the rifles sit waiting to find brass for them. At least .45-70 is still available, reasonable, and will get the job done if the owner knows how to load for it.

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