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Re: Harrells vs 4227 ?
Reply #15 - yesterday at 12:50pm
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I know this is an old thread, but I recently bought a Harrell's Schuetzen measure.  I'd been recently using one of their larger measures.  The Schuetzen one is so consistent that it's quite a bit better than my RCBS ChargeLink dispenser.  When I got the scale I did a large number of powder dumps with IMR-4227 to build some calibration tables.  I was using the scale to check the weights.  After a while the numbers started getting a little inconsistent. I recalibrated the scale and the numbers were perfect again.  I dropped 50 charges and only one charge was 0.2gr under.  The rest were within 0.1gr total variance.  At least if you believe my crappy RCBS scale Smiley.
  
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Re: Harrells vs 4227 ?
Reply #16 - yesterday at 1:16pm
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Ball powders are a "piece of cake" with most measures. As has been said, many times, it's your consistency that matters. 

4227, is not very hard to throw. It was the first powder I used and because no one had anything else in stock, I had to buy a RCBS, Little Dandy, with a rotor that threw 13.+ gr. I had a hard time getting the scale to very with it. In part because that little rotor thimble, didn't let you very your technique to much Smiley

I have collected powder measures, ever since and I try each one out by setting them to about 15.0 gr and throw a few individual charges and then throwing multiple 10's and weighing them, to average how well it throws. 

In all my years, I haven't found one that throws better than my Redding, with the pistol insert (5/16 dia insert) and my double baffle (powder above the baffle), for charges up to 20 gr.

The micrometer adjustment, always repeats itself, too! I have a book with at least 20 powders and mic settings for above and below the range I use for them. I also made two rotors .500 for +/- 30 gr (CBA matches) and one that is only .200, for 1.0 - 5 gr, for BSing my 22rf.

Now, I must say, that I have never bought or used a Harrels, mainly because I consider them over priced for the needed use (I truly don't think my measure can be improved upon) BUT, if they would measure 4759 better than a B&M, they might have value. Has anyone test them in that application?? But, then it wouldn't really matter, would it Smiley

Pictured are about 2/3 of my measures (all that would fit my stand).
  

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Reply #17 - yesterday at 2:03pm
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So do you agree that the B&M will drop consistent charges ?
  
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Reply #18 - yesterday at 2:27pm
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bullshop wrote yesterday at 2:03pm:
So do you agree that the B&M will drop consistent charges ?


That's what I have been using for schutzen for the last year an a half with good results.  I did get a harrels for Christmas that I will be using now. I still use the B&M for black powder and larger smokeless loads
  
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Re: Harrells vs 4227 ?
Reply #19 - yesterday at 3:46pm
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bullshop wrote yesterday at 2:03pm:
So do you agree that the B&M will drop consistent charges ?

Diffidently the best but, way to slow at the range, at least for me.

You still have to do everything the same when measuring with them.
  

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Reply #20 - yesterday at 4:48pm
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The B&M is a good measure my # 2.  Use it for BP 

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Re: Harrells vs 4227 ?
Reply #21 - yesterday at 5:15pm
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I use a Harrell's large measure, and a scheutzen measure. The scheutzen for smaller charges, and vice versa the large for larger cases.
I wouldn't ever go back to any of my older measures.

I bought a half dozen extra hoppers off the internet for very reasonable prices around $3.25 each. I keep them marked with my favorite loads for my favorite powders so I can quickly dial in a charge and be dropping the same charge I've done hundreds of times. When I'm done I screw on a lid and set the bottles in my ammo locker for future use.
  

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Reply #22 - yesterday at 9:23pm
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I should add I use my B&M for 4759 as well as Black Powder. I just don't shoot much 4759 anymore. The Belding is very good for stick powders. I credit the spring return for its accuracy. Can't be short stroked

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