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Smoke Oldtimer Offline Posts: 686 Location: San Diego Joined: Feb 24^th, 2013	Re: Stevens Scope Model# vs Serial # Reply #30 - Jun 2^nd, 2024 at 7:43pm	Print Post
	Perhaps Stevens was responding the assumed preferences of shooters old enough to have been using the really long, early Malcolm scopes and wanted to attract as customers those not ready for the shorter "new fangled" stuff like the Win 5A and Lyman A5 scopes? (did I get those backwards again?


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rkba2nd Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1898 Location: earth Joined: Feb 16^th, 2009	Re: Stevens Scope Model# vs Serial # Reply #31 - Jun 2^nd, 2024 at 11:25pm	Print Post
	Yes Smoke, but nobody is keeping score. Marlinguy The adding four inches to the scope is to accommodate the use of sight mounting dovetails and proper eye relief for the rifle in question. If requirements overlap from one maker to another, so be it. It would seem to me that the formula is mostly meant as a help to the buyer in deciding the proper scope. Steven's taking into account mount location, eye relief, field of view etc, for the customers particular rifle. I have no idea if this was Steven's reasoning, just my read on it.

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Smoke Oldtimer Offline Posts: 686 Location: San Diego Joined: Feb 24^th, 2013	Re: Stevens Scope Model# vs Serial # Reply #32 - Jun 3^rd, 2024 at 1:35am	Print Post
	Like any good business, Stevens was covering the bases as far as it could. In the case of the scope Marlinguy is getting from me, there are two stop pins: one just forward past the mid-point and a second one about 4" from the front. They're screws so that the user could move the front ring easily between the two, and from the finish on the scope, it's clear that the front ring has spent time in both places. A pragmatic design on a 24" long scope. p.s. I want to thank you all for this discussion. It's been more fun than I had with the scope itself


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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 15990 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: Stevens Scope Model# vs Serial # Reply #33 - Jun 3^rd, 2024 at 9:46am	Print Post
	The added 4" to the scope vs. barrel length would also be the same for a Winchester, or any other brand of rifle, so not sure it has anything to do with makers? The mounts are the only thing specific to a maker, and that only pertains to the rifle makers with other than the usual 3/8" front and rear dovetails. Eye relief would be the only thing that could change the length of the scope vs. barrel length, as Stevens offered some scopes with extremely long eye relief. The Stevens scope on my Ballard #3 that was sent to Stevens to be rebored to .25 Stevens RF has a good 6"or 7" of eye relief, so it sits farther forward than any of my other full length scopes do. It's also interesting that none of the Stevens catalog page illustrations I've ever seen show the nicely rounded front rings the early scopes had on them? They all show the plain flat front rings even when illustrations show a rounded rear ring.

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Dellet Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1084 Joined: May 19^th, 2017	Re: Stevens Scope Model# vs Serial # Reply #34 - Jun 3^rd, 2024 at 10:16am	Print Post
	marlinguy wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2024 at 9:46am: The added 4" to the scope vs. barrel length would also be the same for a Winchester, or any other brand of rifle, so not sure it has anything to do with makers? The mounts are the only thing specific to a maker, and that only pertains to the rifle makers with other than the usual 3/8" front and rear dovetails. Eye relief would be the only thing that could change the length of the scope vs. barrel length, as Stevens offered some scopes with extremely long eye relief. The Stevens scope on my Ballard #3 that was sent to Stevens to be rebored to .25 Stevens RF has a good 6"or 7" of eye relief, so it sits farther forward than any of my other full length scopes do. It's also interesting that none of the Stevens catalog page illustrations I've ever seen show the nicely rounded front rings the early scopes had on them? They all show the plain flat front rings even when illustrations show a rounded rear ring. When Stevens bought out Catarac and started advertising as their own brand, one of the improvement that was promoted was the screw on lens ring and lens that could easily be removed for cleaning. This replaced the round style that was pinned on. What I have never seen a definitive answer to is it the Catarac scopes sold by Stevens were branded Stevens. The Malcom scopes were at least referred to as Malcom in the catalogs.


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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 15990 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: Stevens Scope Model# vs Serial # Reply #35 - Jun 3^rd, 2024 at 1:42pm	Print Post
	Don't think I've ever seen a Cataract Scope Co. scope, or a scope that looked like a Stevens, but wasn't marked. Which leads me to believe that any made for Stevens were likely marked or we'd see similar scopes unmarked eventually.

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Schutzenbob Frequent Elocutionist Offline Rheinisch-Westfälisc hen Sprengstoff-Fabriken Posts: 2032 Location: Nightingale, California Joined: Oct 24^th, 2005	Re: Stevens Scope Model# vs Serial # Reply #36 - Jun 3^rd, 2024 at 2:35pm	Print Post
	I've only seen one Cataract Tool & Optical Co. Scope, Ed Mason had it, and he told me that it had belonged to Richard Nixon's father. It was a first-class scope with very clear lenses, I believe a 1" tube that attached to the side of an action and had a micrometer for the elevation adjustment. This is one mounted on a Krag


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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 15990 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: Stevens Scope Model# vs Serial # Reply #37 - Jun 3^rd, 2024 at 4:27pm	Print Post
	Schutzenbob wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2024 at 2:35pm: I've only seen one Cataract Tool & Optical Co. Scope, Ed Mason had it, and he told me that it had belonged to Richard Nixon's father. It was a first-class scope with very clear lenses, I believe a 1" tube that attached to the side of an action and had a micrometer for the elevation adjustment. This is one mounted on a Krag Very cool setup! Hope I can find one I can also afford someday!

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Otony Full Member Online Posts: 186 Location: Walla Walla/Bandon Joined: Jun 5^th, 2021	Re: Stevens Scope Model# vs Serial # Reply #38 - Jun 3^rd, 2024 at 7:34pm	Print Post
	Schutzenbob wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2024 at 2:35pm: I've only seen one Cataract Tool & Optical Co. Scope, Ed Mason had it, and he told me that it had belonged to Richard Nixon's father. It was a first-class scope with very clear lenses, I believe a 1" tube that attached to the side of an action and had a micrometer for the elevation adjustment. This is one mounted on a Krag Richard Nixon as in the President of the United States? I’m sorry if that is a dumb question and that there is a well known single shot rifle aficionado also so named.


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Schutzenbob Frequent Elocutionist Offline Rheinisch-Westfälisc hen Sprengstoff-Fabriken Posts: 2032 Location: Nightingale, California Joined: Oct 24^th, 2005	Re: Stevens Scope Model# vs Serial # Reply #39 - Jun 3^rd, 2024 at 9:06pm	Print Post
	Otony, Ed Mason was a Quaker and lived in Whittier California, which is the area where Richard Nixon (President Nixon) grew up. In the 1970's I joined Brea R&P Club which was on Union 76 property in Brea Ca., which was very near Yorba Linda where Richard Nixon was born. This is a Cataract Tool & Optical Co. Scope mounted on a Stevens rifle.
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rkba2nd Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1898 Location: earth Joined: Feb 16^th, 2009	Re: Stevens Scope Model# vs Serial # Reply #40 - Jun 4^th, 2024 at 4:23pm	Print Post
	SchuetzenBob The rear mount on the cataract scope mounted on the Krag rifle that you posted, looks very much like a rear mount on a Malcolm scope I have. I believe the Malcolm scope company was in business long before Cataract was, but not sure on that, given the lack of information available on these old scopes. If the mount on the Malcolm was not patented, it would seem possible that Cataract "borrowed" the idea from Malcolm. I have collected quite a number of catalogs available from various sources to include Cornell publications, to identify marked and unmarked scopes that I have or that passed through my hands, but even then there is a lack of pertinent information. This post has been of keen interest to me, and hope that more solid information surfaces as a result. I thank you for your contributions.

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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 15990 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: Stevens Scope Model# vs Serial # Reply #41 - Jun 4^th, 2024 at 4:59pm	Print Post
	Wm Malcolm was established in 1855, about 25 years before Cataract began business. Cataract started in 1880 and sold to Stevens in I believe 1900 or 1901?

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Sure shot Oldtimer Offline Posts: 889 Location: East central Iowa Joined: Jun 22^nd, 2020	Re: Stevens Scope Model# vs Serial # Reply #42 - Jun 4^th, 2024 at 5:02pm	Print Post
	Cornell Publications has an 1899 Cataract tool and Optical catalog reprint. It might be an interesting one to have.


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rkba2nd Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1898 Location: earth Joined: Feb 16^th, 2009	Re: Stevens Scope Model# vs Serial # Reply #43 - Jun 4^th, 2024 at 10:59pm	Print Post
	Thanks Sure shot, I will order one. It must be fairly new, as I check their inventory fairly often, and get their catalog sent to me roughly once a month.

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Past80 Participating Member Offline Posts: 18 Joined: Oct 21^st, 2020	Re: Stevens Scope Model# vs Serial # Reply #44 - Jun 8^th, 2024 at 2:22pm	Print Post
	I have been looking for a Stevens #4253 scope It will be 3x, 14" long and have internal adjustments. I've only seen a Stevens catalog picture that gave the above data. If anyone has one please let me know.


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