ASSRA Forum - Stevens Scope Model# vs Serial #

ASSRA Forum › General › General Discussion › Stevens Scope Model# vs Serial #

(Moderator Group: Moderator)

‹ Previous Topic | Next Topic ›

Page Index Toggle

Pages: 1 [2] 3 4

Very Hot Topic (More than 25 Replies)

Stevens Scope Model# vs Serial # (Read 3804 times)

marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 16065 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: Stevens Scope Model# vs Serial # Reply #15 - May 31^st, 2024 at 2:46pm	Print Post
	Just went and checked my two long Stevens scopes and the short Stevens scope. All Marked J. Stevens Arms & Tool and both long scopes are #161 scopes. The short is a #438 in Pope mounts, so can't tell anything by those rings. One thing I note concerning Stevens scopes is the early ones always had a nicely rounded front ring that matches the rear ring shape, where later had a plainer flat front ring. One of my long #161's on my early straight grip Rigby has the rounded front ring like the one I got from Smoke, while the other has the flat front ring. I try to look at every Stevens scope I see on a rifle, regardless of whether it's for sale or not. Just hoping to figure out more about them. But with changes in makers, and the factory not a lot is a for sure thing, just a guesstimate. I collect a lot of other old scopes, but only the Stevens were plentiful enough to really get somewhat of a handle on. At least they are marked, unlike some other small company's scopes!

	(You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links)
	IP Logged

rkba2nd Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1923 Location: earth Joined: Feb 16^th, 2009	Re: Stevens Scope Model# vs Serial # Reply #16 - May 31^st, 2024 at 2:49pm	Print Post
	The way I read Schuetzenbob's chart, the 368 scope is available for Winchester 1885 up to 4 inches over the barrel length, which for a standard barrel would be 34 inches in length. So the chart is pretty inclusive.

	rkba2nd
	IP Logged

Smoke Oldtimer Offline Posts: 695 Location: San Diego Joined: Feb 24^th, 2013	Re: Stevens Scope Model# vs Serial # Reply #17 - May 31^st, 2024 at 3:19pm	Print Post
	Another question: Here's a pic of the front ring on my 388 scope. It has a notch for the stop on both sides of the ring. What's up with that?


	IP Logged

Sure shot Oldtimer Offline Posts: 899 Location: East central Iowa Joined: Jun 22^nd, 2020	Re: Stevens Scope Model# vs Serial # Reply #18 - May 31^st, 2024 at 4:49pm	Print Post
	In Bill West's Savage and Stevens book, he states that the early Stevens scopes were model numbers 1 through 12, after 1902 new scope models had the larger more familiar numbers. Tom Rowe's Stevens book volume 2, has some really good information and high quality pictures of Stevens scopes. If you don't have both volumes of Tom's books, I highly recommend them.


	IP Logged

marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 16065 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: Stevens Scope Model# vs Serial # Reply #19 - May 31^st, 2024 at 4:53pm	Print Post
	Smoke wrote on May 31^st, 2024 at 3:19pm: Another question: Here's a pic of the front ring on my 388 scope. It has a notch for the stop on both sides of the ring. What's up with that? I have one with the two sided notch too Bruce. Never have figured out why for sure? I thought maybe so you can turn the rings to either side and still have a notch maybe?

	(You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links)
	IP Logged

Dellet Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1087 Joined: May 19^th, 2017	Re: Stevens Scope Model# vs Serial # Reply #20 - May 31^st, 2024 at 5:06pm	Print Post
	Sure shot wrote on May 31^st, 2024 at 4:49pm: In Bill West's Savage and Stevens book, he states that the early Stevens scopes were model numbers 1 through 12, after 1902 new scope models had the larger more familiar numbers. Tom Rowe's Stevens book volume 2, has some really good information and high quality pictures of Stevens scopes. If you don't have both volumes of Tom's books, I highly recommend them. Again from memory, may or may not be reliable. American Rifle Sights, Models 1-12 were before Stevens acquired Catarac. There is actually more information in the sight book than the Stevens books. At least model numbers, lengths and years first appearing in catalogs. What manufacturers and models they would fit.


	IP Logged

marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 16065 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: Stevens Scope Model# vs Serial # Reply #21 - May 31^st, 2024 at 5:26pm	Print Post
	Tom Rowe's sight book is indeed probably better than any other source for information, but doesn't show a lot of the huge variety of scopes Stevens offered over many years. Still scope info in general is really lacking, and old catalogs are about the only resource we have beyond what Tom did in his sight book.

	(You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links)
	IP Logged

rkba2nd Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1923 Location: earth Joined: Feb 16^th, 2009	Re: Stevens Scope Model# vs Serial # Reply #22 - Jun 1^st, 2024 at 3:55am	Print Post
	A Steven's scope catalog was reprinted some years ago, and Stroebel's book on scopes has a large accounting of Steven's scopes that appear to be from a catalog, most from 1906, with a brief description of each numbered model. His book is not the last word on scopes, but a lot of good information not available anywhere else that I am aware of. Old catalogs are the best source of information in my experience. A lack of high numbers of scopes available from that time period I think may be that many are still attached to rifles, and not as available by themselves. Many of the not common scopes I have or have had were acquired that way.

	rkba2nd
	IP Logged

kootne Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 437 Location: Libby, Mt. Joined: Mar 6^th, 2012	Re: Stevens Scope Model# vs Serial # Reply #23 - Jun 1^st, 2024 at 11:44am	Print Post
	Just another data point, my Stevens scope is marked, "J Stevens Arms and Tool ". It is 28-1/4" OAL and marked No. 181.

	You can't make good decisions without good information.
	IP Logged

frnkeore Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 7261 Location: Central Point, OR 97502 Joined: Jun 16^th, 2010	Re: Stevens Scope Model# vs Serial # Reply #24 - Jun 1^st, 2024 at 12:19pm	Print Post
	When did Lyman buy out the Stevens line of scopes?

	ASSRA Member #696, ISSA Member #339
	YIM AIM IP Logged

Dellet Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1087 Joined: May 19^th, 2017	Re: Stevens Scope Model# vs Serial # Reply #25 - Jun 1^st, 2024 at 12:23pm	Print Post
	frnkeore wrote on Jun 1^st, 2024 at 12:19pm: When did Lyman buy out the Stevens line of scopes? From memory. 1928/9


	IP Logged

Schutzenbob Frequent Elocutionist Offline Rheinisch-Westfälisc hen Sprengstoff-Fabriken Posts: 2049 Location: Nightingale, California Joined: Oct 24^th, 2005	Re: Stevens Scope Model# vs Serial # Reply #26 - Jun 1^st, 2024 at 4:18pm	Print Post
	J. Stevens Scope for Winchester from 1903-04 catalog. FYI aplanatic; free from or corrected for spherical aberration.
	« Last Edit: Jun 1^st, 2024 at 4:31pm by Schutzenbob »

	IP Logged

marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 16065 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: Stevens Scope Model# vs Serial # Reply #27 - Jun 1^st, 2024 at 6:37pm	Print Post
	I've often wondered what made a particular Stevens scope for a particular rifle? Surely it wasn't the scope tube itself, and likely it was the mounts. But why would the mounts be different for say a Win. 1885 vs. a Marlin Ballard? Both used 3/8" dovetails front and rear, except for a handful of first year Ballard rifles that had an oddball Sharps .452" front dovetail.

	(You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links)
	IP Logged

rkba2nd Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1923 Location: earth Joined: Feb 16^th, 2009	Re: Stevens Scope Model# vs Serial # Reply #28 - Jun 2^nd, 2024 at 3:16pm	Print Post
	Perhaps the length of the scope to fit the standard barrel length of a particular make of rifle. Example 34 inches for a Winchester highwall with a standard length 30 inch barrel. This from Shuetzenbobs chart.

	rkba2nd
	IP Logged

marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 16065 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: Stevens Scope Model# vs Serial # Reply #29 - Jun 2^nd, 2024 at 4:54pm	Print Post
	rkba2nd wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2024 at 3:16pm: Perhaps the length of the scope to fit the standard barrel length of a particular make of rifle. Example 34 inches for a Winchester highwall with a standard length 30 inch barrel. This from Shuetzenbobs chart. I doubt a 30" barrel would take a different scope for one maker vs. another. All had standard length of pull of around 13.5", so doesn't make sense to say one scope would be different for a Win. vs. a Rem., or Marlin Ballard.

	(You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links)
	IP Logged

Page Index Toggle

Pages: 1 [2] 3 4

‹ Previous Topic | Next Topic ›

« Board Index ‹ Board Top

Top

ASSRA Forum » Powered by YaBB 2.6.12!
YaBB Forum Software © 2000-2024. All Rights Reserved.

Valid XHTML

Valid CSS

Powered by Perl

Source Forge

Page completed in 0.9638 seconds.