[quote author=4D696B655F466167726173000 link=1713702460/14#14 date=1714078880]I elk hunt in Montana with my original sporting Roller in 50-70.  Accurate at 200 yards.  Use the 450 grain gg.  [/quote]
That’s what this is. A pristine bore NY roller I bought to turn into a project and ended up
Just too nice. What’s your load ?

My 50-70 is a former 43 Spanish rebuilt by Dave Higginbotham. Does very well for me, this one was taken at 225yds.425gr lead bullet over 70grs of Swiss. The guide told me "hold center", he thought I was zeroed for 100yds. I was zeroed for 200ys and the bullet hit the spine. The animal tipped over like a paper cup literally flying one its side. I shot two others but both were good lung shots, they both walked around in a half-circle and then dropped as their lungs collapsed. All three bullets were recovered. The one was in the spine and the other two just under the skin on the far side of the animal.

William F. "Buffalo Bill" Cody's Lucrezia Borgia was a trapdoor in .50-70, and he reportedly killed several thousand bison with it. I would be willing to bet that more of the big shaggies were killed with .50-70s than any other single cartridge. As has been said, there is nothing in North America you cannot competently kill with a .50-70. I have two, an 1869 Trapdoor with a pristine bore that was sporterized back in the day which had been hiding for who knows how long in the general store in Encampment, Wyoming, and a Swede rolling block that I had rebuilt into a clone of an original Remington rolling block sporting rifle.

Mike Venturino took a one ton bull at 145 yards using a 50-70-450, and it only needed one shot. 

You need to find some different folks to converse with.

They're only original once.  That and the 50-70 will kill all out of proportion to its paper ballistics.