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Chick Newbie Offline Posts: 2 Location: Texas Joined: Jul 30^th, 2021	45-70 PP Dec 19^th, 2023 at 11:50am	Print Post
	Any of you fellas have an accatcurate black powder paper patch load for the 45-70? What techniques do you use?


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RSW Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1158 Location: Arizona Joined: Sep 8^th, 2006	Re: 45-70 PP Reply #1 - Dec 19^th, 2023 at 12:05pm	Print Post
	There is a good book (if I do say so myself) on loading and shooting paper patched bullets. Much of the info for loading paper patched bullets is specifically for the 45-70. The book is: Loading and Shooting Paper Patched Bullets - A Beginner's Guide It's available from: buffaloarms.com blackpowderspg.com trackofthewolf.com
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Jeff_Schultz ASSRA Board Member Online Posts: 1562 Location: Ransomville, NY Joined: Apr 25^th, 2004	Re: 45-70 PP Reply #2 - Dec 19^th, 2023 at 2:49pm	Print Post
	It is indeed very good; I highly recommend it!

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Bent_Ramrod Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1427 Location: Southern Arizona Joined: Feb 8^th, 2006	Re: 45-70 PP Reply #3 - Dec 19^th, 2023 at 10:23pm	Print Post
	W-W cases, fired, unsized, cleaned, trimmed to no longer than 2.100”, Federal Match Large Pistol primers, primer wad punched from ASSRA target paper by the primer in the pocket. 80 gr Swiss 1F or 1-1/2F, trickled through 24” drop tube, 1/16” cork wad, compression ~1/8”, Steve Brooks 540 gr, 0.443”, 16-1, Strathmore Tracing paper 0.0015”,wrapped twice around with 1/2 the bullet base uncovered. I dust the inside mouth of the shell with a mixture of 1 tin of Imperial Graphite to 1 can of Midway Mica (to lubricate the shell and keep the friction from the paper from lengthening the shells), and a slight mouth reduction, just enough to keep the bullet from falling out. May or may not work for you, but it works pretty good for me.


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Grand slam Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 317 Location: Mountains of E. Tennessee Joined: Jun 7^th, 2015	Re: 45-70 PP Reply #4 - Dec 20^th, 2023 at 12:34am	Print Post
	Ditto what Bent ramrod said except I use 83 gns of Swiss 1 1/2. It was good enough to take 4th place overall and 3rd place at the 1000 yard at the Creedmore 150 a couple of years ago in Oak Ridge. I’m 85, old guys rule lol. Cheers Richard


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JKR Participating Member Offline Posts: 40 Joined: Nov 2^nd, 2021	Re: 45-70 PP Reply #5 - Dec 20^th, 2023 at 6:10am	Print Post
	All I can add to what’s been said in the last two posts is, use a bullet/paper combination that’s a good fit in your barrel. I like it to feel snug but not tight when pushed into the chamber. Fouling control is very important with PP. I’ve found bore pigs to work the best. JKR


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Bent_Ramrod Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1427 Location: Southern Arizona Joined: Feb 8^th, 2006	Re: 45-70 PP Reply #6 - Dec 20^th, 2023 at 9:10am	Print Post
	I also give the cases a mild mouth anneal after every firing.


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Grand slam Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 317 Location: Mountains of E. Tennessee Joined: Jun 7^th, 2015	Re: 45-70 PP Reply #7 - Dec 20^th, 2023 at 9:43am	Print Post
	Ditto


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Ranch13 Oldtimer Offline Posts: 531 Location: East Central Wy. Joined: Jan 20^th, 2018	Re: 45-70 PP Reply #8 - Dec 20^th, 2023 at 3:04pm	Print Post
	RSW's paper patch book is probably the best one out there. Having said that the chamber on your rifle will make quite a bit of difference on bullet diameter and paper. In my Shiloh, the BACO .446255 bullet cast from 16-1 and wrapped in seth cole 7 lb paper, with the patch 7/8 inch wide, Hornady component cases sized and expanded with a .451 expanding die primed with RP 9 1/2, 75 grains of OE 2f. Thin napa rubber cork gasket on the powder and a Muzzle loader original dry lubed felt wad under the bullet with the bullet seated just deep enough to engage the leading edge of the patch, with no crimp. Wipe between shots with the BACO bore wipe system, felts wet with Napa cutting oil/water mix 1-7, followed by a 2 1/2 inch flannel patch.


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RollingBlockHeadMi Participating Member Offline Posts: 49 Joined: Jan 31^st, 2024	Re: 45-70 PP Reply #9 - Feb 10^th, 2024 at 10:42pm	Print Post
	RSW wrote on Dec 19^th, 2023 at 12:05pm: There is a good book (if I do say so myself) on loading and shooting paper patched bullets. Much of the info for loading paper patched bullets is specifically for the 45-70. The book is: Loading and Shooting Paper Patched Bullets - A Beginner's Guide It's available from: buffaloarms.com blackpowderspg.com trackofthewolf.com I've been searching for this question/answer for a few days now. Glad to see it wasn't very far to find here in the forum. Will order your book the 1st of the month. I have two new builds I'll start then as well, 1. a- 45-70. 2. a 45-90 Looking forward to reading this. Thanks ASSRA Member # 201341


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SchwartzStock Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1018 Location: SchwarzWald Joined: Mar 23^rd, 2010	Re: 45-70 PP Reply #10 - Feb 12^th, 2024 at 12:23pm	Print Post
	On top of the powder I seat a milk carton wad, then a disc (0.250-0.300") disc of lubricant, I use PPB.s for hunting so I don't want to tie myself to swabbing the bore after everyshot. On top of the lube I put in another card disc with a disc of wax paper. The wax paper ensures the card does not stick in the base of the bullet when it exits the muzzle. I also lube the paper patch by hand prior to loading. It helps to get the cartridge chambered and paper is very abrasive to the inside of the barrel

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Snuffy Participating Member Offline Posts: 12 Joined: Apr 7^th, 2024	Re: 45-70 PP Reply #11 - Apr 7^th, 2024 at 3:15pm	Print Post
	Do you find the accuracy of PP better than grease bullets? I would suppose so but by how much?


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Ranch13 Oldtimer Offline Posts: 531 Location: East Central Wy. Joined: Jan 20^th, 2018	Re: 45-70 PP Reply #12 - Apr 7^th, 2024 at 6:15pm	Print Post
	I do find the accuracy better in most of my rifles, a couple of them just don't seem to care much for it. I also find shooting paper patch more satisfying than shooting greasers. The finest accuracy with paper patch takes a little bit more experimenting than with greasers. So it boils down to whether one wants to spend a lot of time with it or not.


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JKR Participating Member Offline Posts: 40 Joined: Nov 2^nd, 2021	Re: 45-70 PP Reply #13 - Apr 7^th, 2024 at 6:25pm	Print Post
	No. Probably no better accuracy. But paper patchers get all the prettiest girls.


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Ranch13 Oldtimer Offline Posts: 531 Location: East Central Wy. Joined: Jan 20^th, 2018	Re: 45-70 PP Reply #14 - Apr 7^th, 2024 at 6:32pm	Print Post
	Very true Jim


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SchwartzStock Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1018 Location: SchwarzWald Joined: Mar 23^rd, 2010	Re: 45-70 PP Reply #15 - Apr 8^th, 2024 at 4:09am	Print Post
	I find the accuracy to be about equal with significantly less effort involved for the GGB's but I would rather shoot PPB's

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