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QUESTION: 45-120 Brass Quality
Oct 26th, 2023 at 8:17am
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I have (4) different manufacturers of 45-120 brass, the headstamps are as follows

Bertram 45 Basic
HDS 45-120 SS
RCBS 45 Basic
TEN-X 45-120


Can anyone help me as to how one compares to the other?

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Re: QUESTION: 45-120 Brass Quality
Reply #1 - Oct 27th, 2023 at 10:41am
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Don’t exactly know what you’re “comparing,” but as far as I know, the RCBS and HDS basic cases were made by Norma, which everybody says is good stuff.

Bertram might give problems.  Some lots (especially early ones) of their other oddball brass I’ve bought have exhibited problems with metallurgy (half the cases splitting on the first firing), the lengths of a box of shells might be inconsistent and all shorter than the nominal, and the rims might vary in thickness, diameter and roundness, requiring creativity in shell holder selection or a lathe setup to make work.  Other lots, though, are pretty good, usable for reload after reload.

I’ve found Ten-X cases in .45 Colt at the range, and they resize, load and shoot as well as any other.  Didn’t even know they made exotica like .45-120; figured they catered to the Cowboy Action crowd.

If you’re asking about case volumes, or mouth thicknesses or stuff like that, you’re in a better position to tell us, since you have the shells yourself.
  
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Re: QUESTION: 45-120 Brass Quality
Reply #2 - Oct 27th, 2023 at 1:23pm
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My stuff ain't 45-120, but since I've formed about ½ my .40-90 SBN from 45-Basic, it seems a fair comparison.  Bertram, I got pre-formed for the 40-90SBN and seemed a mite brittle, but it was all initially annealed to below the case shoulder.  I annealed case mouths before initial sizing & belling, and have still had no splits, not bad for 30 year old brass.
My HDS & CSA 45 Basic headstamped brass is excellent.  The CSA brass was described to me as being by the same manufacturer HDS used.  I even have some non-headstamped cases, that appear to be of like quality, all of it about the same  age as the HDS & CSA brass.
  
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Re: QUESTION: 45-120 Brass Quality
Reply #3 - Oct 28th, 2023 at 2:50pm
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Bent_Ramrod wrote on Oct 27th, 2023 at 10:41am:
Don’t exactly know what you’re “comparing,” but as far as I know, the RCBS and HDS basic cases were made by Norma, which everybody says is good stuff.

Bertram might give problems.  Some lots (especially early ones) of their other oddball brass I’ve bought have exhibited problems with metallurgy (half the cases splitting on the first firing), the lengths of a box of shells might be inconsistent and all shorter than the nominal, and the rims might vary in thickness, diameter and roundness, requiring creativity in shell holder selection or a lathe setup to make work.  Other lots, though, are pretty good, usable for reload after reload.

I’ve found Ten-X cases in .45 Colt at the range, and they resize, load and shoot as well as any other.  Didn’t even know they made exotica like .45-120; figured they catered to the Cowboy Action crowd.

If you’re asking about case volumes, or mouth thicknesses or stuff like that, you’re in a better position to tell us, since you have the shells yourself.


Thanks BR, my question was about overall quality so your reply was very helpful.

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Re: QUESTION: 45-120 Brass Quality
Reply #4 - Oct 28th, 2023 at 2:52pm
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Griff093 wrote on Oct 27th, 2023 at 1:23pm:
My stuff ain't 45-120, but since I've formed about ½ my .40-90 SBN from 45-Basic, it seems a fair comparison.  Bertram, I got pre-formed for the 40-90SBN and seemed a mite brittle, but it was all initially annealed to below the case shoulder.  I annealed case mouths before initial sizing & belling, and have still had no splits, not bad for 30 year old brass.
My HDS & CSA 45 Basic headstamped brass is excellent.  The CSA brass was described to me as being by the same manufacturer HDS used.  I even have some non-headstamped cases, that appear to be of like quality, all of it about the same  age as the HDS & CSA brass.


Thanks G93 most informative.

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