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brass cleaner?
Oct 11th, 2023 at 12:00pm
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I have run out of the cleaner I was using with ceramic in my tumbler so now I need to go back to the improvised stuff I was using before. I suffer constantly from CRS and so now I need some help. What improvised concoction do you use to get nice, shiney brass?
  

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Reply #1 - Oct 11th, 2023 at 12:35pm
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I've used Lemi-Shine and Dawn in a rolling tumbler not vibratory.
  
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Reply #2 - Oct 11th, 2023 at 1:08pm
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I use dry walnut shell in my vibratory with a dash of Lyman Turbo cleaner every three or 4 months. It doesn't take much with walnut.  I've been using walnut for over 40 years and only changed it out twice. I've never figured out the fascination folks have with liquid and ceramic pounding their cases.
  
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Reply #3 - Oct 11th, 2023 at 6:38pm
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Dawn and lemishine work.  I am using Frankford Arsenal cleaner now, works well if you mix it 40:1.  I miss the old Cabelas green liquid cleaner.  It worked great!
  
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Reply #4 - Oct 12th, 2023 at 3:52am
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In looking under the sink I found a German brand dish-washing liquid with lemon but the results are not that great. I also found some "soft-scrub" type stuff also with lemon and that is not impressive either. As I recall water and lemon juice turns the brass brown...
  

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Reply #5 - Oct 12th, 2023 at 9:08am
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Crushed walnut shells with a couple tablespoons of Brasso.

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Reply #6 - Oct 12th, 2023 at 9:40am
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Talk about CRS, I had a bottle of powdered - of both, Lemi-shine and Diamond Brite, I knew I'd read somewhere that one of them was notorious for turning your brass dark and one would clean it... 

Keep the Diamond Brite away away from the brass,  Grin (it does work well in the vibra-mill for cleaning and deburring steel parts though)

It was late that evening and I was too lazy to stop and look.

Lemi Shine and Dawn in the rolling tumbler with SS pins cleans things exceptionally well in 45 minutes or less.
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Reply #7 - Oct 12th, 2023 at 9:45am
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Schuetzendave wrote on Oct 12th, 2023 at 9:08am:
Crushed walnut shells with a couple tablespoons of Brasso.

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so I thought the Brasso seemed high, from an American Amazon account 
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I don't know the conversion rate, but the Canadian price stinks

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Reply #8 - Oct 12th, 2023 at 10:21am
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Yes the price of American made products imported into Canada do cost us dearly.
That is why most imports now come from China.
Brasso is a UK product but the Canadian supply is made in the USA.
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Reply #9 - Oct 12th, 2023 at 11:36am
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Thumblers tumbler with ceramic or SS pins. Dawn dishwashing liquid and a dash of lemon juice. Been using it for years with great results. The lemon juice increases the shine of the brass and it is inexpensive.
  
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Reply #10 - Oct 12th, 2023 at 2:16pm
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I have been using a product put out by Shooter 2 in Michigan.  It was recommended to me by a fellow BP shooter to use with the ceramic pellets.
I don't have an email or web site for him; I think I ordered over the phone.
Stuff works great; better than Dawn.
Call Greg at 989-330-5179
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Reply #11 - Oct 12th, 2023 at 3:53pm
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When I used wet ceramic cleaning, I used dishwasher detergent and lemi-shine.  It worked well, but I found it belled the mouth of the case in slightly, and since I slip fit bullets without sizing, that became irritating, so I went back to walnut hull with red rouge after using lemi-shine and detergent in the ultrasonic.  The cases come out shinier, and don't tarnish as quickly because the rouge leaves a bit of wax on the brass.  

Ceramic for me left the brass very clean but slightly dull, and it tarnished very quickly from being totally clean. 
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Reply #12 - Oct 12th, 2023 at 5:19pm
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I have cleaned my .32 RKS brass more than a hundred times with Brasso over the last 27 years.

I have never cracked a single case.

Only a few ended up with worn primer pockets after so much use.

Most likely the people who cracked their cases never annealed their brass and it was brittle from case hardening.

Like to see  scientific proof that ammonia cracks brass and not some assumptions over the internet.
  
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Reply #13 - Oct 12th, 2023 at 7:56pm
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The scientific study you supplied indicated copper alloys including brass can exhibit cracking after soaking in a liquid concentration of:

1. mercury
2. mercury and ammonia

Brasso only has a very small amount of ammonia (seventh item based on percentage of weight - 5 grams/liter) and has absolutely no mercury.

And we are not completely immersing our cases in liquid mercury or a solution of mercury and ammonia.

We only add a small amount of Brasso that has an even smaller amount of ammonia in it that assists the walnut to provide a brighter shine.
We are not soaking cases in liquid Brasso.

The study you provided does not show  corrosion from pure ammonia - only from a concentration of mercury and ammonia.

Also ammonia will not corrode brass unless water (or mercury) is also present.
And no I do not add water to my Brasso when I put it into a tumbler to polish my cases.

"The electrochemical reactions of brass in ammonia environment are as follows: Copper free AQUEOS ammonia (containing water) is oxygen reduction and primary oxidation reaction is oxidation of copper to form cuprous complex ions. The formation of cupric complex ions leads to stress corrosion cracking of brass in ammonia SOLUTIONS".

Do you think a Company would make a brass polishing compound that corrodes (oxidizes) brass?
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Reply #14 - Oct 12th, 2023 at 9:24pm
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Dave,  Sorry I veered it off topic, I'm removing all the references to Brasso in my posts.   

Since the OP is using water and ceramic media, brasso the way you're using it isn't relevant to what I posted about the wet ceramic process.



  
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