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What Have I Here?
Sep 10th, 2023 at 2:35pm
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I have quite a few cast bullets from Schuetzenmeister's (Bob Zimmerman) estate that I am sorting through and cleaning the old lube from.  Most are 25, 32, 40 and 45 rifle bullets but this one is unknown.  '
The base band is .450 and it weighs ~ 435.2gr in 30-1.  It is 1.082" long.   There are 98 of them, but 53 are badly oxidized.  Before I try cleaning in muriatic acid, can anyone identify the use for these?

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Reply #1 - Sep 10th, 2023 at 2:53pm
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a 45 long colt bullet to use in a rifle ?  art
  
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Reply #2 - Sep 10th, 2023 at 5:49pm
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Looks like a lyman 457121 ?  which was intended for the reproduction enfield .451 volunteer muzzleloading rifle.
  
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Reply #3 - Sep 10th, 2023 at 5:59pm
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I agree wit Hawkeye. Looks like a Lyman bullet for the whitworth Volunteer muzzle-loading rifle
  
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Reply #4 - Sep 10th, 2023 at 6:08pm
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That would make sense as Bob was a big muzzleloader.

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Reply #5 - Sep 10th, 2023 at 8:16pm
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I think I will see if there is anyone here that might want to buy them before I post them on the muzzleloader forum. 

  
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Reply #6 - Sep 10th, 2023 at 8:38pm
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Likely for the .44-77 SBN, or .44-100 Ballard Long-Range. Most of the early .44 rifle cartridges used a .451"-.52" bullet and in the 400-530 gr. weight range. 
Originally they used a paper patch bullet around .446" with two wraps to fit the .451"-.452" bores, but of course grease groove bullets became larger to fit.
Both of my .44-77SBN, and my Ballard #7 in .44-100 use this size bullet.
  
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Reply #7 - Sep 10th, 2023 at 9:12pm
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I had the lyman mold and IIRC it had a front  driving band and the nose stepped down like a Kieth SWC.I don't think that's it but it could be a custom for the same application.
  
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Reply #8 - Sep 10th, 2023 at 9:57pm
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Cbashooter wrote on Sep 10th, 2023 at 9:12pm:
I had the lyman mold and IIRC it had a front  driving band and the nose stepped down like a Kieth SWC.I don't think that's it but it could be a custom for the same application.


It looks much like the old Ideal 451112 bullet mold, which was adjustable and with 6 lube grooves dropped a 485 gr. bullet, but adjusted to 5 grooves it dropped a 430 gr. bullet.
I'd love to own the mold for this if it ever showed up miraculously!
  
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Reply #9 - Sep 11th, 2023 at 6:22pm
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I'd buy them, but you know how that song ends.  Then I would need a Whitworth to shoot them in, and they aren't cheap (if you can find one).

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