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bobw Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2263 Joined: Mar 19^th, 2013	Sharps 1875 with 1869 patent date Jun 18^th, 2023 at 2:45pm	Print Post
	Since not everyone looks at he Gunsmithing section I'm adding this here. If anyone has information on this gun please take look at the questions I have posted in the Gunsmithing section under the same thread name. Thanks, Bob


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MrTipUp Frequent Elocutionist Offline Quality is to a product what character is to a man Posts: 1420 Location: Indiana Joined: Feb 19^th, 2020	Re: Sharps 1875 with 1869 patent date Reply #1 - Jun 19^th, 2023 at 12:02pm	Print Post
	The following is reputedly from a Gun Digest article “Going the Distance with the Sharps Rifle”. The Model 1875 Sharps rifle incorporated patents by Rollin White and Nelson King. A Long-Range version shown at the Philadelphia Exposition was bought there for $300 by Colonel John Bodine. It remains the only surviving specimen, as no other 1875s were made. But Charles Overbaugh and A.O. Zischang, who had helped design the rifle, delivered a replacement. Unfortunately, no year was given and very unfortunately no sources for the claims. For example, the "only one" claim has been soundly refuted, and diligent internet inquiries have revealed no patents by White or King that could be relevant to the Model 1875. I have also heard that Hugo Borchardt had a hand in its design. However, Borchardt did not join Sharps until 06/01/1876. So his supposed Model 1875 association may have grown out of nothing more than the resemblance of the 1875's receiver to that of the 1878 Borchardt. (Though that resemblance does lend some credulity to the claim that some Model 1875 tooling was reworked for the Model 1878.) All in all, Bob, reproducing a Model 1875 could be another very worthy - and challenging - project. Bill Lawrence


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bobw Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2263 Joined: Mar 19^th, 2013	Re: Sharps 1875 with 1869 patent date Reply #2 - Jun 19^th, 2023 at 2:41pm	Print Post
	Bill, thanks for the info. If you checkout the thread on the gunsmithing section there is some up to date information being shared. Since posting these threads I have learned lots, here and privately, about these guns and even some of the provenance of a couple of them. Which might end up being a big help in recreating one. Bob


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MrTipUp Frequent Elocutionist Offline Quality is to a product what character is to a man Posts: 1420 Location: Indiana Joined: Feb 19^th, 2020	Re: Sharps 1875 with 1869 patent date Reply #3 - Jun 20^th, 2023 at 7:28pm	Print Post
	Another source of at least photos: vol. 3 of Roy Marcot's Sharps saga. Bill Lawrence


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TRowe Full Member Offline Posts: 202 Joined: Sep 4^th, 2017	Re: Sharps 1875 with 1869 patent date Reply #4 - Jul 6^th, 2023 at 7:49pm	Print Post
	I own one which has been expertly restored. I know and have photographed another, which is marked Mid Range.


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bobw Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2263 Joined: Mar 19^th, 2013	Re: Sharps 1875 with 1869 patent date Reply #5 - Jul 6^th, 2023 at 10:52pm	Print Post
	Tom, at some point I’d like to give you a call. Bob


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Solidlead Participating Member Offline Posts: 13 Location: Olympia Joined: Mar 29^th, 2024	Re: Sharps 1875 with 1869 patent date Reply #6 - Nov 7^th, 2026 at 8:48pm	Print Post
	The font of the engraving looks very modern


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jhm Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2165 Location: georgia Joined: Sep 4^th, 2011	Re: Sharps 1875 with 1869 patent date Reply #7 - Nov 8^th, 2026 at 6:05am	Print Post
	I think that is the gun the 1875 C Sharps rifles was patterned after. I owned one in 45-90 many years ago and enjoyed it. JMH


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sharps4590 Full Member Offline Posts: 165 Joined: Mar 24^th, 2016	Re: Sharps 1875 with 1869 patent date Reply #8 - Nov 8^th, 2026 at 8:14am	Print Post
	Whatever its back story, that is an elegant rifle action.


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Old-Win Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1864 Location: Minnesota Joined: Nov 24^th, 2005	Re: Sharps 1875 with 1869 patent date Reply #9 - Nov 8^th, 2026 at 3:17pm	Print Post
	I believe that rifle was offered for sale at auction about 8 or 10 years ago as a newer reproduction. I don't know who built it but they did a great job. The thing that bothers me is the way the stock is mounted to the receiver. It doesn't look like it could take a lot of heavy recoil from any large caliber without shooting loose.


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KensBullard Junior Member Offline Posts: 91 Location: Woodland Wa Joined: Dec 17^th, 2024	Re: Sharps 1875 with 1869 patent date Reply #10 - Nov 8^th, 2026 at 5:17pm	Print Post
	one of the single shots I bought I wanted a tang sight for and went to tom axles shop just up the free way from me in Oakvile wa. and he was bulding a 75 ken


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bobw Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2263 Joined: Mar 19^th, 2013	Re: Sharps 1875 with 1869 patent date Reply #11 - Nov 8^th, 2026 at 7:17pm	Print Post
	sharps4590 wrote on Nov 8^th, 2026 at 8:14am: Whatever its back story, that is an elegant rifle action. I agree. I had the opportunity to disassemble Tom Rowe’s rifle that was restored, take measurements and make drawings of the parts. I was not in my shop when I did the disassembly and unfortunately only took it partially apart. I was having trouble getting the breech block out and was afraid that if something came out of place, I would have no choice but take it fully apart, maybe having no choice but get back to my shop to get it back together. I decided the best thing to do was stop and reassemble it. In my shop I would have had a better chance of winning the disassembly, with the better light and tools. I still got lots of pictures and some drawings. I think when you compare the 1878 Borchardt to the 1875 with the hammer, there is some support for a relationship. This first picture is the 1878 Borchardt. Second picture is Tom’s 1875. Third picture is Tom’s 1875. Fourth is also Tom’s 1875. Bob
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bobw Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2263 Joined: Mar 19^th, 2013	Re: Sharps 1875 with 1869 patent date Reply #12 - Nov 8^th, 2026 at 7:33pm	Print Post
	Looking at the wood between the rifle in my opening post, and the pictures I took of Tom’s rifle, they look to possibly be the same rifle. Although, there are differences that make me question that statement. I don’t believe Tom’s rifle is a modern made gun. Like he stated, he had it restored. Also, from what I saw inside it does not look new. It has been recase hardened and I think Tom said the stock had to be refitted to the action. I would also agree to the poor way they attached the stock to the action. When I saw how Sharps did it, the first thing I decided was I would machine recesses on each side of the tangs so the stock head could be inlet into them and be captured. I think the way it is, the stock will split down the center eventually. This first picture shows the flat face of the stocks head. The second shows the area I would have looked at for the recess I mentioned. I also wood have looked at the possibility of a through bolt. Bob


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bobw Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2263 Joined: Mar 19^th, 2013	Re: Sharps 1875 with 1869 patent date Reply #13 - Nov 8^th, 2026 at 7:39pm	Print Post
	The hammer was interesting. It is very thin and was not tight on the tumbler. I’m not sure how Sharps thought this would work and don’t believe any modern gunsmith would make it so thin either. My plan was to figure out how to make a much heavier (thicker) hammer with out changing the look of the original. Hammer pictures. This is a beautiful hammer to look at. Bob


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Old-Win Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1864 Location: Minnesota Joined: Nov 24^th, 2005	Re: Sharps 1875 with 1869 patent date Reply #14 - Nov 8^th, 2026 at 11:25pm	Print Post
	Bob W. I pulled out my Seller's book and he covers that particular model 75 on pages 245 to 247. He claims that there is only one surviving model of that rifle and it doesn't appear like the one showing in your picture is the same one shown in Seller's book. Could there be more than one surviving model?


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