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Apr 24th, 2023 at 12:47pm
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Reply #1 - Apr 24th, 2023 at 1:01pm
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Perfect for the gators out back! I'll bet he will never shoot it prone;-)
  
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Reply #2 - Apr 24th, 2023 at 6:19pm
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Boneheads like this crack me up. Lots of destruction coming out of both ends of such a rifle. Of course a man has two sets of spheroids, his huevos and his eyeballs. This chap is dealing with reproductive spheroids and ignoring the eyeball.  As an ex-boxer amateur only, I can tell you that a detached retina is the front porch and door to blindness. A lot of African PH’s suffered from this condition. Big rifles kick hard but mostly the recoil is faster and more destructive. 

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Reply #3 - Apr 24th, 2023 at 9:27pm
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Indeed
Anyone who tries to tell you that the recoil of one of these big bore rifles is just a big push, has never shot one.
With service loads, they come back hard, and they come back fast.
  
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Reply #4 - Apr 24th, 2023 at 10:24pm
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Old anecdote about the English in Africa hunting with 4 bores:

The Englishman fires.   

The elephant goes down. 

The Englishman goes down.   

Whoever gets up first is the winner.   

If neither one gets up the native bearers divide the spoils and go home.
  

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Reply #5 - Apr 25th, 2023 at 11:08pm
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Am I right in remembering that Frederick Courtney Selous literally nearly took his head off when out of direst necessity he fired both barrels of his 4 bore at once?
  
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Reply #6 - Apr 26th, 2023 at 8:25am
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I think it was a double load by his gun bearer in a single shot muzzle loader.
  
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Reply #7 - Apr 26th, 2023 at 11:14am
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Is this why he invented the Selous plates?
  

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Reply #8 - Apr 26th, 2023 at 12:49pm
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No, why he always brought along a spare gun bearer;-)
  
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Reply #9 - Apr 27th, 2023 at 10:17am
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Too much testerone, the worst case of my round is bigger than your round i have seen in a long time.

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Reply #10 - Apr 27th, 2023 at 10:39am
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It came from the ML days when hunting elephants for ivory.
If the elephant was coming for you, your first shot could be your last shot - ever.
  
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Reply #11 - Apr 27th, 2023 at 5:57pm
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Well if a 4 bore rifle isn’t large enough I guess a 2 bore rifle would be better. Grin
  
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Reply #12 - Apr 27th, 2023 at 9:33pm
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Then there are the 600 and 700 nitro. I once had the pleasure of shooting a 475no.2, and decided that was enough for me.
  

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Reply #13 - Apr 27th, 2023 at 10:17pm
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I’ve always been curious and game to light off the bigger cartridges. About five years ago I was hanging out with some safari types at a range in CT. I had a chance to fire three 458 WW mags and they were stiff but I thought manageable. But later in the day a guy showed up with a 460 Weatherby. Two rounds and I was certainly stepping over the line. That one hell of a serious cartridge but then I’ve never been behind any of the big African cordite monsters.

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Reply #14 - Apr 28th, 2023 at 9:50am
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I dare say any professional hunter worth his salt would not be caught using such a cannon. The good ones know it’s all about shot placement and bullet construction. There used to be a fellow using a similar big bore and was busting down water buffaloes at close range all the while appearing to be as gallant as a Spanish bull fighter. Last I heard this guy was trampled to death by a wounded buff; missed the mark and paid the price. Big in itself is not the only requirement to a proper hunting rifle, rather a rifle that gives the hunter his best shot.
  
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Reply #15 - May 24th, 2023 at 3:32am
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Would I be tooting my own horn to mention that I have a ten bore double rifle?

Colin Stolzer built it for me when he lived in Kansas.  240gr of Fg and a 750 +/- grain acorn shaped RN.  Hammerless side by side of course.

I have shot a four bore.  Twice, both barrels in 15 seconds.  Ken Green in Carbondale, IL had one of three that Ken Owens of Memphis fame built.

It's probably why I am a bit rummy...

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Reply #16 - May 24th, 2023 at 8:46am
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"Would I be tooting my own horn to mention that I have a ten bore double rifle?"

Only if you don't post pics ASAP....... Grin
  
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Reply #17 - Jul 15th, 2023 at 2:22pm
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I'm late to this thread but, I can't help responding to this one.

In the mid 90's, a good friend, that was a high end collector and shooter, invited me over to get my advice on how to repair a gun part. While there he asked if I would like to shoot his newly acquired 8 bore double. I said no, that I didn't care much for recoil! He said that he had been shooting it with reduced load and insisted I shot it so, I said ok.

He set up a 26 oz coffee can to aim at. Pictured is the result. The load was 250 gr 1F and a 1080 gr bullet!!!!

He took a big chance, as it was a engraved double that I think he payed ~$5000 for. My first thought after pulling the trigger, was to get away from it asap and that would have included dropping it right there. But, he was lucky, in that I didn't.

I wasn't very happy at the time but, it did result in this trophy Smiley
  

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Reply #18 - Jul 20th, 2023 at 12:23pm
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The Stolzer fellow has some good videos of him building double rifles and shooting them to regulate the barrels. One of his videos he built a 10 bore double pair of guns. He does a lot of  before and after picture stuff but you never see him actually doing the work. Either way I think he builds a quality rifle. Don't know what he charges to build one. The videos I watched were done like 10 years ago...

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Reply #19 - Jul 23rd, 2023 at 5:27pm
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Colin and I talk about once a month.  He is still building big bore muzzleloaders to order.  His last four bore double percussion rifle he built for a customer had a companion single shot pistol.  He was in Kansas on the family homestead (Civil War soldier ancestor) for many years, but decided to move to the Powell, WY, area where he worked on the oil fields for a decade and learned the machinist then gunsmith trade.
He built me a medium bore bolt rifle, can't remember now if it is the 404 Jefferys or the 425 WR in the safe.

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