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1885 Low Wall
Apr 3rd, 2023 at 2:23pm
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I picked up a Low Wall this weekend because it was in great shape and marked 22 Long on the barrel which is what I've been wanting. Rifle was manufactured in 1896 according to the serial search on the web. Got home and its not 22 Long, the barrel is 22 caliber but the chamber is slightly larger. 1st, is Cerrosafe the only thing I can use to make a chamber casting with? I ordered some lastnight as I don't have any on hand. I know theres not much I or anyone can tell me till I get a chamber cast done and see what the measurements are. A 22 Mag will go almost all the way in but the bullet hits the rifling before completly seated, and the back of the chamber is a little larger than the rear of the 22 case, thought maybe it was a Hornet but that won't go in, the base is to large on the hornet case. No ideal what it is and the fellow I bought it from thought it was .22 long also. Once I know the caliber for sure I'll decide what I"m going to do with it.
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Re: 1885 Low Wall
Reply #1 - Apr 3rd, 2023 at 2:35pm
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Maybe 22 WRF, basically a 22 magnum short.

It’s the right time frame and has same bullet .228” ? and case diameter as 22 magnum, but about .050-.060” shorter.
  
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Reply #2 - Apr 3rd, 2023 at 2:37pm
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Reply #3 - Apr 3rd, 2023 at 2:40pm
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Reply #4 - Apr 3rd, 2023 at 2:41pm
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Re: 1885 Low Wall
Reply #5 - Apr 3rd, 2023 at 3:20pm
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Chris W wrote on Apr 3rd, 2023 at 2:37pm:
Chamber pic

If it was 22 WRF would the barrel be marked 22 Long? Thanks for the reply, I ordered some Cerrosafe to do a cast but I think I'll try some hard wax when I get home just to get an ideal.
  
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Re: 1885 Low Wall
Reply #6 - Apr 3rd, 2023 at 3:37pm
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Chris W wrote on Apr 3rd, 2023 at 3:20pm:
Chris W wrote on Apr 3rd, 2023 at 2:37pm:
Chamber pic

If it was 22 WRF would the barrel be marked 22 Long? Thanks for the reply, I ordered some Cerrosafe to do a cast but I think I'll try somehard wax when I get home just to get an ideal.


Hopefully not from the factory, but someone possibly rechambered it. Good news if that’s what it is, ammo is still made periodically.

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Re: 1885 Low Wall
Reply #7 - Apr 3rd, 2023 at 4:01pm
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Thanks for the diagram, I googled it but just found pics of the ammo, this will make it easy to see if thats what it is once I cast it.
  
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Re: 1885 Low Wall
Reply #8 - Apr 3rd, 2023 at 4:58pm
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Check the twist rate of the barrel. 22 long and short should be 1 in 20 and 22LR should be 1 in 16. I'm guessing 22 long reamed to 22LR.
  
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Reply #9 - Apr 3rd, 2023 at 9:25pm
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I much prefer sulfur to "cerrosafe" for chamber casts.  Cheaper and more fool-proof.
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Re: 1885 Low Wall
Reply #10 - Apr 4th, 2023 at 10:43am
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I'd be inclined to guess it was originally .22 Long, but later reamed to .22WRF when some owner wanted a bit more velocity. 
The ammo has on rare occasion been run again, but haven't seen a run in many years, and when they did the last run boxes sold fast, even at huge prices of around $10 a box.
If this was mine I'd line it to shoot .22LR since it's obviously already been messed with, and it will be more shootable as a .22LR.
  
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Re: 1885 Low Wall
Reply #11 - Apr 5th, 2023 at 6:53am
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Obviously, I know little of what I'm talking about.  Instead of relining the barrel to 22LR, why not rechamber and rebore the barrel for 22Magnum?  Too much pressure?
  
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Re: 1885 Low Wall
Reply #12 - Apr 5th, 2023 at 12:14pm
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Right now you can buy WRF direct from CCI for $18 per fifty. Charlie
 
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Re: 1885 Low Wall
Reply #13 - Apr 5th, 2023 at 1:14pm
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Once you have the chamber cast and dimensions figured out, if the chamber isn't too long for .22 LR, but the rifling is good, send it off to John Taylor and have him reline the chamber only.  Safe and relatively easy to do on a .22 rf.  You'll pay back the cost in a few boxes of .22 WCF if that's what's been done to it.  Plus, the .22 WCF repro ammo hasn't been accurate, in my experience.  It's 2 1/2" or more at 100 yard ammo.  Probably even more problematic in an undersized .22 long bore.

Or, have John line the barrel with a new .22 rf liner.  Guaranteed better accuracy at that point, and good as new.
  
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Re: 1885 Low Wall
Reply #14 - Apr 5th, 2023 at 1:47pm
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ssdave wrote on Apr 5th, 2023 at 1:14pm:
Once you have the chamber cast and dimensions figured out, if the chamber isn't too long for .22 LR, but the rifling is good, send it off to John Taylor and have him reline the chamber only.  Safe and relatively easy to do on a .22 rf.  You'll pay back the cost in a few boxes of .22 WCF if that's what's been done to it.  Plus, the .22 WCF repro ammo hasn't been accurate, in my experience.  It's 2 1/2" or more at 100 yard ammo.  Probably even more problematic in an undersized .22 long bore.

Or, have John line the barrel with a new .22 rf liner.  Guaranteed better accuracy at that point, and good as new.


I think you mean ".22WRF" not .22WCF, which is a centerfire.
  
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