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Schüetzen powder V/s Swiss
Feb 28th, 2023 at 7:59pm
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I'm being offered 25 pounds of Schuetzen powder at what I know is a good price. How does their 3F compare to Swiss?
  
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Re: Schüetzen powder V/s Swiss
Reply #1 - Mar 1st, 2023 at 12:36am
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Old Soldier wrote on Feb 28th, 2023 at 7:59pm:
I'm being offered 25 pounds of Schuetzen powder at what I know is a good price. How does their 3F compare to Swiss?


Schuetzen (made in Germany) will leave more fouling than Swiss & it generally requires about 10% more to equal the velocity of Swiss.  Of course that varies by lot.  Schuetzen may be used by a few BPCR shooters but mostly by muzzle loaders and reenactment shooters.

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Reply #2 - Mar 1st, 2023 at 8:28am
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I've found Schuetzen to be similar to Goex. Not a premium powder, but serviceable.
  
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Reply #3 - Mar 1st, 2023 at 8:54am
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I can't say anything about that granulation, but in my .45-90 Borchardt I used up about 2 pounds of their FFg.  It was about 90 fps slower than Swiss 1.5 and the velocity variation was terrible.  Not enough to affect 200m accuracy, but it would have been terrible at long range.  Maybe with more load development it could have been made to work but it wasn't worth the effort to me.

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Reply #4 - Mar 1st, 2023 at 11:28am
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Schuetzen powder usually likes a little more compression than Swiss does.
  
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Reply #5 - Mar 2nd, 2023 at 4:59pm
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Schuetzen( Wano) I found the Wano P as good as Swiss in my 40/65 ,Have heard the F range of powders are inconsistent,due to the cost of BP here inOZ I have switched to smokeless albeit costly as well if you can get it!! It is shooting tighter groups also.

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Reply #6 - Mar 2nd, 2023 at 6:11pm
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I tried Schuetzen just to find out. Stayed with Swiss.
  
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Reply #7 - Mar 2nd, 2023 at 10:55pm
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I've burned about 30# Wano (2f and 3f) in my 54 and 50 caplock muzzleloaders and find it works just fine.i can't tell the difference between it and Goex.
  
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Re: Schüetzen powder V/s Swiss
Reply #8 - Mar 3rd, 2023 at 5:51pm
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I have used both Wano P grade powders both 2P and 3P as well as Swiss 1.5. Accuracy wise they are equal in my 40-65, the Swiss is a bit stronger, perhaps 50 fps with equal charges. On the subject of residual fouling the Swiss is slightly better, but as you need to clean between shots to get the best accuracy this is not important anyway.
The downside with Swiss where I live is availability, and cost compared to the P grades of Wano. Quite some time ago I did try the F grades of Wano and in the 40-65 it was slightly inferior to the P grades. If I was shooting a muzzle loader offhand I would be quite happy to use it for the cost savings.
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Re: Schüetzen powder V/s Swiss
Reply #9 - Mar 3rd, 2023 at 5:58pm
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I have a bag of WANO I bought at F-ship. I think it is/was 7.5lbs? Anyway, I've been shooting it in a 38 55 with excellent accuracy. It does get real crusty after five shots. I always wipe after 5 anyway. I think my bag is marked 2ff. Never heard of P before.
Does anybody like GOEX Cartridge?
  
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Reply #10 - Mar 17th, 2023 at 9:57pm
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Old soldier aka Santa,

Above 70 degrees North Latitude Schuetzen powder achieves the same velocity as Swiss.

So anywhere north of Prudhoe Bay AK you should be good.  Old Soldier wrote on Feb 28th, 2023 at 7:59pm:
I'm being offered 25 pounds of Schuetzen powder at what I know is a good price. How does their 3F compare to Swiss?

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Re: Schüetzen powder V/s Swiss
Reply #11 - Mar 18th, 2023 at 9:56pm
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marlinguy wrote on Mar 1st, 2023 at 11:28am:
Schuetzen powder usually likes a little more compression than Swiss does.
                                                         
Might that be due to the actual granulation? I have the two screens from England used to sift FF and FFF granulations. Schuetzen FFG sifted 60% FFG, 40% FFFG. Not consistent at all. Comments?
  
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Re: Schüetzen powder V/s Swiss
Reply #12 - Apr 21st, 2023 at 8:57pm
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RJ-35-40 As you well know, North of Prudhoe I'd get wet. Cold and wet. Not my thing. I bought the powder by the way. It'll work just fine in my 58 Enfield. Thanks all.
  
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Re: Schüetzen powder V/s Swiss
Reply #13 - Apr 22nd, 2023 at 5:16am
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condorsc wrote on Mar 18th, 2023 at 9:56pm:
marlinguy wrote on Mar 1st, 2023 at 11:28am:
Schuetzen powder usually likes a little more compression than Swiss does.
                                                        
Might that be due to the actual granulation? I have the two screens from England used to sift FF and FFF granulations. Schuetzen FFG sifted 60% FFG, 40% FFFG. Not consistent at all. Comments?                                                                                                         

Denpending on the manufacturer, granulation size and distribution per type will be different.  So 1 producer's FFg might be another's FFFg.  Swiss originally had just numbers, from 1 till 5.  So for the US market they had an issue - a type too much, which is why they have 1 1/2 Fg.  But Swiss FFg won't be the same granulation as Goex, or Schuetzen.  There is no universal standard.
  
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Re: Schüetzen powder V/s Swiss
Reply #14 - Apr 26th, 2023 at 5:19pm
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No serious shooter in Germany uses Schuetzen aka Wano. It is only popular with the cannon and Boller shooters. You have to have a special license to buy powder here and you are very restricted on how much you can have so shooters just suck it up and buy Swiss.
  
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