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oughtsix Global Moderator ASSRA Board Member Offline Posts: 1275 Location: Columbus Joined: May 31^st, 2009	Is this unsafe ? Feb 28^th, 2023 at 2:26pm	Print Post
	I think I know the answer. it's in .44 - 2 6/10

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GT Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2044 Location: Northeast Wyoming Joined: Jun 28^th, 2015	Re: Is this unsafe ? Reply #1 - Feb 28^th, 2023 at 2:44pm	Print Post
	yup, unless you are left handed and shooting it with an armored face mask, full body armor and there's no one around you. Pains me to see a Hepburn like that.

	"To invent, you need a good imagination and a pile of junk" T. A. Edison "The trouble ain't that there is too many fools, but that the lightning ain't distributed right" M.T.
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4570mike Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 388 Location: On the Peninsula Joined: Apr 11^th, 2013	Re: Is this unsafe ? Reply #2 - Feb 28^th, 2023 at 3:20pm	Print Post
	Any thoughts on why? Heavy loads? Metal fatigue? I assume it's an original gun?


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westerner Frequent Elocutionist Offline deleted posts and threads record holder. Posts: 11474 Location: Why, out West of course Joined: May 29^th, 2006	Re: Is this unsafe ? Reply #3 - Feb 28^th, 2023 at 3:46pm	Print Post
	Fred Gardner cracked his Hepburn in exactly the same way. He had it welded and it held up just fine. Not sure I would be so trusting.

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RAM Participating Member Offline Posts: 34 Location: Henning, Minnesota Joined: Sep 27^th, 2020	Re: Is this unsafe ? Reply #4 - Feb 28^th, 2023 at 4:25pm	Print Post
	I doubt that if the inside corners of the breech block opening in the receiver had a radius it would hold up any better? I know that a slight radius does help strengthen, as compared to squared when machining. Whatever did it would have more than likely cracked even with a radius in the design of the breech block opening.


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JLouis Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 10625 Joined: Apr 8^th, 2009	Re: Is this unsafe ? Reply #5 - Feb 28^th, 2023 at 5:31pm	Print Post
	If you try doing a search there is fellow and I believe his first name might be Pete and I believe he lives in Alaska who does specializes in welding up such things as you yourself now have. Hopefully someone will chime with his name and his contact information and he does come highly recommended for doing such work.

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bobw Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1500 Location: NW, Iowa Joined: Mar 19^th, 2013	Re: Is this unsafe ? Reply #6 - Feb 28^th, 2023 at 6:25pm	Print Post
	Peter Nagel, Restorative Welding, Oregon, IL. peter.r.nagel@gmail.com I would send him pictures, then talk to him on the phone for his opinion. Good luck, sure hope it can be repaired. I have him doing some work for me currently. Bob

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JLouis Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 10625 Joined: Apr 8^th, 2009	Re: Is this unsafe ? Reply #7 - Feb 28^th, 2023 at 6:56pm	Print Post
	Thank you Bob !!

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Amoretti Full Member Offline Posts: 209 Location: thermopolis, Wy Joined: Nov 2^nd, 2009	Re: Is this unsafe ? Reply #8 - Feb 28^th, 2023 at 8:42pm	Print Post
	To Rams point I've often wondered about the square internal mortice in many single shots. Seems a rounded corner would be stronger. GT comments?


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Schuetzendave Frequent Elocutionist Offline Retired Ex-Shooter Posts: 4052 Location: St. Albert, Alberta Joined: Jan 28^th, 2005	Re: Is this unsafe ? Reply #9 - Feb 28^th, 2023 at 8:56pm	Print Post
	Is the pitting a result of corrosion or are the imperfections from casting of the receiver?


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cuslog Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 263 Location: Calgary, Alberta Joined: Dec 29^th, 2011	Re: Is this unsafe ? Reply #10 - Feb 28^th, 2023 at 8:57pm	Print Post
	Yes, I believe a sharp internal corner like that would be a potential "stress riser" = perfect place for a crack to start. Have a look at the mortice in a Ruger No. 1, almost looks like they pre drilled the corners with about a 3/32" drill to form a nice radius in the corners.


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curdog Junior Member Offline Posts: 73 Joined: Feb 26^th, 2022	Re: Is this unsafe ? Reply #11 - Feb 28^th, 2023 at 9:48pm	Print Post
	If I was to put money on it, that crack began when the receiver was case hardened - it's not the first I've seen.


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rifleman Full Member Offline Posts: 169 Joined: Aug 4^th, 2015	Re: Is this unsafe ? Reply #12 - Mar 1^st, 2023 at 7:40am	Print Post
	I can second the suggestion of Peter Nagel…excellent work. If thats a 44 2 6/10 is it a long range Creedmoor?


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Deadeye Bly Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1059 Location: Stephens City Joined: Feb 25^th, 2011	Re: Is this unsafe ? Reply #13 - Mar 1^st, 2023 at 9:04am	Print Post
	Not safe to shoot in that condition. Kermit Hoke had one like that and had it welded and shot it for years. I don't know who welded it. I think he had it rehardened after welding.


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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 16157 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: Is this unsafe ? Reply #14 - Mar 1^st, 2023 at 11:26am	Print Post
	cuslog wrote on Feb 28^th, 2023 at 8:57pm: Yes, I believe a sharp internal corner like that would be a potential "stress riser" = perfect place for a crack to start. Have a look at the mortice in a Ruger No. 1, almost looks like they pre drilled the corners with about a 3/32" drill to form a nice radius in the corners. I think if the internal corners had a very small curve it might make them stronger, but it would need to be extremely small. If there was much size to the rounded corner breech thrust would push back and the flat sides would try to expand sideways on the action. After all the millions of various rifles made using a falling block, and this same type of machined corners to the actions, it seems like it's not really necessary to change them. The only time they fail is when someone over stresses the action with a charge or cartridge that's way too hot.

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