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32-20 to 30-20 - Anyone ever try this?
Feb 27th, 2023 at 2:42pm
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Seems my previous post has taken on a life of its own and thats okay, thanks for all the good information and discussion.  However, has anyone ever necked the 32-20 down to 30 cal?  I think this would provide very interesting combination of components to explore.  Thanks
  
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Reply #1 - Feb 27th, 2023 at 3:01pm
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Isn't that what Gert was shooting?
  
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Reply #2 - Feb 27th, 2023 at 3:32pm
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Yup, except with BP.  But the 30-20 isn't really new....  I use a 1in 12 twist barrel, and bullets up to 185 grs, swiss 1 1/2Fg.  My short range BP match rifle.
Using 17.9 with the Pope bullet, 18.4 with the 151 RN
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Reply #3 - Feb 27th, 2023 at 4:04pm
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I mentioned in your previous thread that the .30-20 was once a popular offering from Thompson-Center in their Contender pistol, for use on metal silhouette targets

If you go to the IHMSA forums, there is still quite a bit of information regarding the cartridge. It was loaded similarly to how it would be used here, a heavier bullet than typically used.

Try here:  (You need to Login or Register to view media files and links)
  
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Reply #4 - Feb 28th, 2023 at 12:51pm
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I helped Jerry DeVaudruil build a 30-20 on a No.1 Ruger, barrel, 1-10 twist, not sure of the maker, but Jerry knew K. Bresien pretty well and had rifled barrels on his equipment
keep in mind he was 86yo or so 
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Jerry wanted to make the rifle in 30BR, I talked him into  the 30-20, mainly because I have a reamer set up for .30 cal bullets, and has a throat on it intended for 160-180 gr bullets fixed ammo
Jerry insisted on BS a 200 grain bullet with 11.5 grains of No. 9, because that's what everyone was doing
I expressed concern because he wanted to use one case like he has since he taught the Indians how to clean flintlocks
this will not work, second firing, the case had to be knocked out with a cleaning rod, some split and left the neck in the chamber, PIA to remove, had to use cerrosafe to get it out
gun shot well at 200 yds. but Jerry's eyes went bad, Glaucoma, and i think the rifle went to auction

We never come up with a powder that wasn't  a problem with breech seating,  I have a 30-20 on a No.2 RB, lined with TJ liner 1-10 tw, I use Reloder 7, or WC680, RCBS 30-180-sp, with good results shooting a local Silhouette match, will knock 200 yd, rams down, also with a PB Lyman 311241, and 308206

I have also made a number of 30-20 rifles from H&R shotguns, using 1-15, 30BR barrels, Bench Rest Take-offs that stopped shooting jacketed, and had been set back , a couple times
using mostly 120 grain bullets, PB, these rifles shoot better than they should, 

any answer more specific, ask
  
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Re: 32-20 to 30-20 - Anyone ever try this?
Reply #5 - Feb 28th, 2023 at 1:27pm
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  This guy used to chamber his rifles for it: (You need to Login or Register to view media files and links) .
I used to have one and it shot very well breech seated, but it was limited due to the weak brass.
  

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Reply #6 - Feb 28th, 2023 at 9:27pm
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I have a couple rifles that are stalled because of the current market woes in getting barrels.  A .30-20 would be easier to get a barrel than a .32-20 since I’d just need to grab a blank off the rack.

The question I have….

Do you need a different reamer to do a .30-20, or can I just put a smaller pilot on my .32-20 reamer and get a usable chamber?
  
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Reply #7 - Feb 28th, 2023 at 10:13pm
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Isn't a 32/20 just a loose 30? I use .312 sized 30cal molds in mine. I wouldn't use the 32/20 given a choice. It is weak and quite hard to find. If breach seating, you will need a wad. I load mine with the Ideal 308403.
  
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Reply #8 - Mar 1st, 2023 at 7:12am
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Nominal groove diameter of the 32-20 is .311, so the difference is quite small. I suspect new 32-20s might even use .308 barrels.
And to answer the question - I used a standard min-spec 32-20 reamer for chambering the barrel, a Lothar Walther 1 in 12 twist.  Then again, no sizing required when using BP.
I shoot the Pope 308403 semi breechseated, and a 151gr RN of my own design.
With the previous barrel, I also shot jacketed spitzer bullets.
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Reply #9 - Mar 2nd, 2023 at 12:07pm
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I'd probably go with 327 Fed brass if I were going to do this. Another advantage of a 30 cal barrel is that they're generally easier to find with faster twists.

If you don't need a heavy contour barrel, there's likely an unlimited supply of shot out 1-13 twist Palma barrels available cheap. I've got one from a friend that I might find a use for someday.

However, they are of course almost universally stainless steel.
  
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Reply #10 - Mar 2nd, 2023 at 11:00pm
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327 Brass ain't exactly easy to find these days.
  
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Reply #11 - Mar 3rd, 2023 at 2:08am
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wesg wrote on Mar 2nd, 2023 at 12:07pm:


If you don't need a heavy contour barrel, there's likely an unlimited supply of shot out 1-13 twist Palma barrels available cheap. I've got one from a friend that I might find a use for someday.

However, they are of course almost universally stainless steel.


My 1st barrel happened to be a take-off Palma barrel, slower twist though.  However, it got pitted when I started shooting BP - I presume I never got all the copper out, and corrosion started underneath - hence the new barrel.
  
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Reply #12 - Mar 5th, 2023 at 2:12pm
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Interesting. I've noticed my HP barrels always seem to have 'something' left on the lands no matter what I clean them with. They're only 4 thou high, but maybe that's enough to isolate the surface and generate heat checking that BP could take advantage of?

As for 327 brass. If you're only going to use smokeless. 32 HR would maybe be easier to source? And maybe for load density anyway?
  
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Reply #13 - Mar 27th, 2023 at 10:09pm
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You can make stronger 32-20 cases from boxer primed 7.62 Nagant trimmed to length with 1 pass in a 32-20 die. Neck clearance can be troublesome.  Might work out good for 30-20.
  
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Reply #14 - Mar 28th, 2023 at 9:29am
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I tried this a few years ago and it worked in some but not all all rifles.The rim is a bit smaller and thinner and passed under some extractors.
  
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