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old accuracy records for BP
Jan 21st, 2023 at 6:09pm
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Just curious, does anyone have information on accuracy records from the 1880s using BP off the bench. Information such as caliber, bullet used etc. Just trying to work out what I should be trying to achieve to match the results the old timers were getting.
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Reply #1 - Jan 21st, 2023 at 8:15pm
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I'm wanting an anwser to this as well.id like to see match results rather than the one lucky group that got published.
im not sure how much BR match shooting was done back then though?
  
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Reply #2 - Jan 21st, 2023 at 9:15pm
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  Back then, what we call benchrest shooting was mostly done with a machine rest.
  
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Jeff_Schultz wrote on Jan 21st, 2023 at 9:15pm:
  Back then, what we call benchrest shooting was mostly done with a machine rest.


When were Single-Shot-Rifle benchrest matches first started? 

I know Seattle WA. had the first "modern day" ones  but that was modern guns and jacketed  bullets I think after WW2.
IIRC ???
  
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Reply #4 - Jan 21st, 2023 at 10:13pm
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Cbashooter wrote on Jan 21st, 2023 at 9:41pm:
Jeff_Schultz wrote on Jan 21st, 2023 at 9:15pm:
  Back then, what we call benchrest shooting was mostly done with a machine rest.


When were Single-Shot-Rifle benchrest matches first started? 

I know Seattle WA. had the first "modern day" ones  but that was modern guns and jacketed  bullets I think after WW2.
IIRC ???

  You are wrong.  Modern benchrest started in Johnstown, NY.
  
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Jeff_Schultz wrote on Jan 21st, 2023 at 10:13pm:
Cbashooter wrote on Jan 21st, 2023 at 9:41pm:
Jeff_Schultz wrote on Jan 21st, 2023 at 9:15pm:
  Back then, what we call benchrest shooting was mostly done with a machine rest.


When were Single-Shot-Rifle benchrest matches first started? 

I know Seattle WA. had the first "modern day" ones  but that was modern guns and jacketed  bullets I think after WW2.
IIRC ???

  You are wrong.  Modern benchrest started in Johnstown, NY.


   Possibly ...but there's a chance I'm right😄 I'll have to dig through my old precision shootings.
  
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Reply #6 - Jan 21st, 2023 at 10:21pm
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  A pretty slim chance.
  
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Jeff_Schultz wrote on Jan 21st, 2023 at 10:21pm:
  A pretty slim chance.


Apparently there's some information you do not know about. I will get the article from precision shooting and you can eat some Crow.

And if I am wrong I get to choose how to cook the Crow....
  
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Reply #8 - Jan 22nd, 2023 at 1:40am
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East vs West. This is going to be good!   Smiley
  
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Reply #9 - Jan 22nd, 2023 at 1:50am
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As requested I'm only interested in records set using black powder and cast lead bullets.
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westerner wrote on Jan 22nd, 2023 at 1:40am:
East vs West. This is going to be good!   Smiley


a member PM'ed me the club name,it was the  Pudget Sound Snipers and told me it was about the same time as Donaldson group out east.But you know according to Donaldson he invented everything!
  
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Reply #11 - Jan 22nd, 2023 at 1:14pm
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Maybe so, but I'll warrant you those PNW fellas were coached by the East coast guys on how to do it. Roll Eyes Donaldson, Whelen, et al were notorious letter writers and I'll bet that USPS worked in an East to Westerly direction back then! Wink
  
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Reply #12 - Jan 22nd, 2023 at 1:22pm
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"1880s using BP off the bench"
  
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Reply #13 - Jan 22nd, 2023 at 1:32pm
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There has been a book or two written about the bench rest target muzzle loaders of that era. It or they, covered such makers as Warren & Bilinghurst (not sure about spelling). I don't know much about the content of those books nor availability of them. Perhaps Steve Garby (has posted on this forum from time-to-time in the past) will chime in. He is quite knowledgeable of such topics.
There is/was a small group somewhere in the MidWest that holds matches for such rifles. My guess is their level of accuracy is the same as the shooters of the 1880s.
  
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Reply #14 - Jan 23rd, 2023 at 10:01am
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  According to Glenn Newick in "The Ultimate in Rifle Accuracy" c1989 the Puget Sound Snipers Congress of Seattle, WA held the first modern bench match in 1944 with 37 shooters.
  In early summer 1947 J.W. Prescott held a small match in Machias, NY.  This was such a success that Harvey Donaldson organized a three day match labor day weekend 1947 at the Pine Tree Rifle Club in Johnstown, NY attended by 28 competitors.
  I stand corrected again. Embarrassed
  
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