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gunlaker Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2264 Location: lower mainland, B.C. Joined: Dec 13^th, 2010	bullet mold suggestions for 30-30 in my 1885 Jan 15^th, 2023 at 9:37am	Print Post
	Hi, I'm looking for suggestions for a plain base bullet mold for my new highwall in 30-30. It has a Douglas 1:10 twist barrel. Not breech seated, fixed ammo only. The rifle will be used in offhand shooting from 200 yards and under. Hopefully I can get something going in the 1400 fps range using IMR-4227. Maybe a bullet in the 180-200gr range. Does that seem reasonable? thanks, Chris.


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Schuetzendave Frequent Elocutionist Offline Retired Ex-Shooter Posts: 4039 Location: St. Albert, Alberta Joined: Jan 28^th, 2005	Re: bullet mold suggestions for 30-30 in my 1885 Reply #1 - Jan 15^th, 2023 at 10:20am	Print Post
	Caliber 0.308 Inches Bullet Weight 150 Grains Bullet Length 0.828 Inches Barrel Twist 10 Inches/turn muzzle velocity 1400 fps Temperature 50 degrees Fahrenheit (59 is standard) Pressure 29.92 inches of mercury (29.92 is standard) Sg = 5.15 Caliber 0.308 Inches Bullet Weight 165 Grains Bullet Length 0.94 Inches Barrel Twist 10 Inches/turn muzzle velocity 1400 fps Temperature 50 degrees Fahrenheit (59 is standard) Pressure 29.92 inches of mercury (29.92 is standard) Sg = 3.98 Caliber 0.308 Inches Bullet Weight 175 Grains Bullet Length 1 Inches Barrel Twist 10 Inches/turn muzzle velocity 1400 fps Temperature 50 degrees Fahrenheit (59 is standard) Pressure 29.92 inches of mercury (29.92 is standard) Sg = 3.55 Caliber 0.308 Inches Bullet Weight 180 Grains Bullet Length 1.04 Inches Barrel Twist 10 Inches/turn muzzle velocity 1400 fps Temperature 50 degrees Fahrenheit (59 is standard) Pressure 29.92 inches of mercury (29.92 is standard) Sg = 3.27


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Schuetzendave Frequent Elocutionist Offline Retired Ex-Shooter Posts: 4039 Location: St. Albert, Alberta Joined: Jan 28^th, 2005	Re: bullet mold suggestions for 30-30 in my 1885 Reply #2 - Jan 15^th, 2023 at 10:27am	Print Post
	Caliber 0.308 Inches Bullet Weight 190 Grains Bullet Length 1.06 Inches Barrel Twist 10 Inches/turn muzzle velocity 1400 fps Temperature 50 degrees Fahrenheit (59 is standard) Pressure 29.92 inches of mercury (29.92 is standard) Sg = 3.27 Caliber 0.308 Inches Bullet Weight 200 Grains Bullet Length 1.085 Inches Barrel Twist 10 Inches/turn muzzle velocity 1400 fps Temperature 50 degrees Fahrenheit (59 is standard) Pressure 29.92 inches of mercury (29.92 is standard) Sg = 3.22 Caliber 0.308 Inches Bullet Weight 210 Grains Bullet Length 1.145 Inches Barrel Twist 10 Inches/turn muzzle velocity 1400 fps Temperature 50 degrees Fahrenheit (59 is standard) Pressure 29.92 inches of mercury (29.92 is standard) Sg = 2.90 Caliber 0.308 Inches Bullet Weight 220 Grains Bullet Length 1.225 Inches Barrel Twist 10 Inches/turn muzzle velocity 1400 fps Temperature 50 degrees Fahrenheit (59 is standard) Pressure 29.92 inches of mercury (29.92 is standard) Sg = 2.50


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Schuetzendave Frequent Elocutionist Offline Retired Ex-Shooter Posts: 4039 Location: St. Albert, Alberta Joined: Jan 28^th, 2005	Re: bullet mold suggestions for 30-30 in my 1885 Reply #3 - Jan 15^th, 2023 at 10:42am	Print Post
	Caliber 0.308 Inches Bullet Weight 230 Grains Bullet Length 1.235 Inches Barrel Twist 10 Inches/turn muzzle velocity 1400 fps Temperature 50 degrees Fahrenheit (59 is standard) Pressure 29.92 inches of mercury (29.92 is standard) Sg = 2.55 Caliber 0.308 Inches Bullet Weight 240 Grains Bullet Length 1.315 Inches Barrel Twist 10 Inches/turn muzzle velocity 1400 fps Temperature 50 degrees Fahrenheit (59 is standard) Pressure 29.92 inches of mercury (29.92 is standard) Sg = 2.22 Caliber 0.308 Inches Bullet Weight 250 Grains Bullet Length 1.375 Inches Barrel Twist 10 Inches/turn muzzle velocity 1400 fps Temperature 50 degrees Fahrenheit (59 is standard) Pressure 29.92 inches of mercury (29.92 is standard) Sg = 2.03 The heavier the bullet that your rifle twist can shoot the better the kinetic energy meaning the longer distance it can shoot. The heavier slow moving bullet is less susceptible to wind drift than the lighter bullets. The 10:1 twist is meant for faster velocity jacketed bullets and it will over spin the slower moving cast bullets and more so for the shorter bullets. I would suggest a 250 grain bullet. Custom mold manufacturers can make you a mold of about 250 grains and 1.375" long.
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Cbashooter Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1570 Location: Eastern Wa. Joined: Mar 31^st, 2018	Re: bullet mold suggestions for 30-30 in my 1885 Reply #4 - Jan 15^th, 2023 at 12:49pm	Print Post
	have you determined how the throat is? the factory spec. throat is nearly nonexistent. usually custom single shots have custom chambers and are throated for longer bullets. on my 30-30 rifles I used a throat reamer thats marked 1.5 deg x .3095 and run it out 50 to 100 thou. with that that the Saeco #315(tapered) shot well without the GC on it.(NOE makes a pb version)The Lyman 308241 PB is abother one i like though a bit light for long tange in wind.Accurate has lots of PB molds that he can make though. NOE also makes a copy of the 311299 in a plain base it also is a wonderful bullet when he has them in stock. Probably a better choice for the long range stuff.Its my favorite bullet in my Ruger #1 7.62 x 39 run at 1200 fps.Also great in the CZ 527 Bolt gun. I'll politely disagree with the above that in a 1-10 a long 240- 250g bullet is the way to go. Quckload data is just data.I have a 30 caliber with a 1 and 9.5 twist and it just plain did not work with those i missiles.They were stable but accuracy not as good as with 175-215g bullets.
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BudHyett Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 255 Location: Pacific Northwest, WA State Joined: Jun 25^th, 2011	Re: bullet mold suggestions for 30-30 in my 1885 Reply #5 - Jan 15^th, 2023 at 1:33pm	Print Post
	I had a .30-30 on a Hoch action that shot a SAECO 185 grain plain-base very well. This mold was a Barry Darr offering which they no longer offer. The bullet was similar to the #315. My experience with .30 caliber bore is to shoot 180 grain to 205 grain bullets. Fatigue is a factor, shooting CBA Long Range Handgun with a .30 Herrett T/C Contender for several years, even 180 grain bullets added up for fatigue in a two-day match. I shot the SAECO #315 at 100 yards and the RCBS 30-165-SIL at 200 yards for reduced recoil fatigue. The gunsmith building the rifle throated the chamber with a 3 degree included angle reamer that fit the bullet. He did this based on his experience. I'd follow Cbashooter's recommendations for a custom mold between 185 and 205 grains. I'd do a chamber cast to assure the throat is set up for cast bullets, factory chambers are not. Good luck, this sounds like a fun project.
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gunlaker Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2264 Location: lower mainland, B.C. Joined: Dec 13^th, 2010	Re: bullet mold suggestions for 30-30 in my 1885 Reply #6 - Jan 15^th, 2023 at 3:18pm	Print Post
	Thanks everyone. I'll definitely do a chamber cast to check on the dimensions and I'll check out those mold designs. The rifle is mostly going to be used for informal offhand shooting on a woods trail at one of the ranges I belong to. Maybe 50-60 steel targets from tricky shapes to easy ones, probably 25 to a little more than 200 yards. Accuracy requirements aren't the same as a bench gun, but of course more is better Chris.


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beltfed Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1752 Location: Central Wi Joined: Dec 20^th, 2007	Re: bullet mold suggestions for 30-30 in my 1885 Reply #7 - Jan 15^th, 2023 at 7:47pm	Print Post
	gunlaker, I have been shooting a 32-40 Remington/8 twist for a number of years. The cases are made from 303 Brit brass and have a case capacity very close to that of a 30-30 case. for 200yds Schuetzen, I am loading the Lyman 311299 bullet over 15.5 grains of IMR 4227 in Fixed loads. It shoots better than I can hold with my rebarrelled Brg BPCR The bullets are loaded without a gas check and I place a floral foam wad into the case neck and then seat the bullet Works for me, at my level of occasional Schuetzen matches. I have run sub minute of angle with this load and rifle with scope. I feel confident the load should also work well in a 10 twist 30-30. I know it shoots well in my M1941 O3A3 Marine corps sniper rifle which is a 10 twist. load of 4227 or 4759 and the 311299 has been a winning combination in Vin Mil Mod Scope CBA matches beltfed/arnie


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gunlaker Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2264 Location: lower mainland, B.C. Joined: Dec 13^th, 2010	Re: bullet mold suggestions for 30-30 in my 1885 Reply #8 - Jan 16^th, 2023 at 9:09am	Print Post
	Thanks Arnie! Chris.


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Premod70 Oldtimer Offline Posts: 864 Location: North Carolina Joined: Jan 16^th, 2016	Re: bullet mold suggestions for 30-30 in my 1885 Reply #9 - Jan 16^th, 2023 at 10:24am	Print Post
	For most 30 cal. rifles a good starting mold whether for throated or non-throating chambers is the Lyman 31141. Usually can be found rather cheap on ebay in various conditions. Other versions are hit and miss usually requiring a chamber cast followed by either a application of a throating reamer and/or a custom mold designed to fit, good luck.


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bullshop Full Member Offline Posts: 201 Joined: Sep 14^th, 2017	Re: bullet mold suggestions for 30-30 in my 1885 Reply #10 - Feb 14^th, 2023 at 7:16pm	Print Post
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RJ-35-40 Full Member Offline Posts: 147 Joined: Dec 7^th, 2016	Re: bullet mold suggestions for 30-30 in my 1885 Reply #11 - Feb 15^th, 2023 at 7:09am	Print Post
	Arnie, What lead mix are you shooting with that fast twist.. In addition is your barrel cut or button rifled? Thanks Bob beltfed wrote on Jan 15^th, 2023 at 7:47pm: gunlaker, I have been shooting a 32-40 Remington/8 twist for a number of years. The cases are made from 303 Brit brass and have a case capacity very close to that of a 30-30 case. for 200yds Schuetzen, I am loading the Lyman 311299 bullet over 15.5 grains of IMR 4227 in Fixed loads. It shoots better than I can hold with my rebarrelled Brg BPCR The bullets are loaded without a gas check and I place a floral foam wad into the case neck and then seat the bullet Works for me, at my level of occasional Schuetzen matches. I have run sub minute of angle with this load and rifle with scope. I feel confident the load should also work well in a 10 twist 30-30. I know it shoots well in my M1941 O3A3 Marine corps sniper rifle which is a 10 twist. load of 4227 or 4759 and the 311299 has been a winning combination in Vin Mil Mod Scope CBA matches beltfed/arnie


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beltfed Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1752 Location: Central Wi Joined: Dec 20^th, 2007	Re: bullet mold suggestions for 30-30 in my 1885 Reply #12 - Feb 15^th, 2023 at 11:31am	Print Post
	RJ, My alloy for the 32-40 RH has been both 19+1 Pb/Tin and 9+1 COWW/Lino. The barrel was chambered with a Dan Theodore tight neck Match reamer which I now own. So, I have to outside neck turn the brass after fire forming and have to use 0.308 sized bullets. Lube is MTL, which I leave on the gas check shank as well as the lube grooves. The barrel is a Lilja, cut rifled. beltfed/arnie


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RJ-35-40 Full Member Offline Posts: 147 Joined: Dec 7^th, 2016	Re: bullet mold suggestions for 30-30 in my 1885 Reply #13 - Feb 15^th, 2023 at 12:36pm	Print Post
	Arnie, THANKS.. I have two 'tight neck' Dan T. designed chambers. One is the, 35-40 and the other is 38-55. I also outside neck turn to .009. RE: 10 twist 30-30. So I asked about your mix because I was curious about possible leading with such a fast twist.? Which shoots better the 19/1 or the 9/1 WW.Lino? I would think the cut rifling really grips. Bob beltfed wrote on Feb 15^th, 2023 at 11:31am: RJ, My alloy for the 32-40 RH has been both 19+1 Pb/Tin and 9+1 COWW/Lino. The barrel was chambered with a Dan Theodore tight neck Match reamer which I now own. So, I have to outside neck turn the brass after fire forming and have to use 0.308 sized bullets. Lube is MTL, which I leave on the gas check shank as well as the lube grooves. The barrel is a Lilja, cut rifled. beltfed/arnie


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oneatatime Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 3865 Location: Rocky Mountains Joined: Oct 30^th, 2011	Re: bullet mold suggestions for 30-30 in my 1885 Reply #14 - Feb 15^th, 2023 at 2:30pm	Print Post
	FWIW, regarding Premod70's suggestion that 31141 is a good starting 30 caliber bullet, I would agree, but it should be noted that the old 31141 got a slight change in the cherry when it became the current 311041. I was shooting the 31141 from an old single cavity mould for lever action 30-30 matches and picked up a new 2-cavity 311041 to speed up the casting sessions. I could see the slight difference in the nose shape but it turned out the 311041 shot better in my rifle. Of course, YMMV.


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