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oneatatime Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 3882 Location: Rocky Mountains Joined: Oct 30^th, 2011	Interesting info on original carbine 45-70 loads Dec 12^th, 2022 at 1:48pm	Print Post
	Ran across this on another site: History of Modern US Military Small Arms Ammunition Vol. 1, Revised. Book HWS, 1. Page 207.


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Tom_Trevor assra life no.71 Oldtimer Offline Tom Trevor Posts: 692 Location: Granada Hills Ca. Joined: Jun 16^th, 2004	Re: Interesting info on original carbine 45-70 loads Reply #1 - Dec 12^th, 2022 at 2:16pm	Print Post
	In the 1887 Report of the Chief of Ordnance appendix 34 pages 495-510 they go on to explain that as well the the wads were removed due to finding them in the target berms along with spent bullets. I know I have found wads in front of our 500 yard 32 in. steel plate target as well as other targets.so it seems that wads from time to time ride the bullet all the way to the target.
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texasmac Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1902 Location: Central Texas Joined: Aug 16^th, 2004	Re: Interesting info on original carbine 45-70 loads Reply #2 - Dec 15^th, 2022 at 2:57pm	Print Post
	As a precaution in case that happens, after drop-tubing the powder & inserting a wad, I also insert a very thin wad cut from printer paper prior to compression the powder. I'm not concerned if thin wad sticks to the bullet base down range. Wayne

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Tom_Trevor assra life no.71 Oldtimer Offline Tom Trevor Posts: 692 Location: Granada Hills Ca. Joined: Jun 16^th, 2004	Re: Interesting info on original carbine 45-70 loads Reply #3 - Dec 16^th, 2022 at 5:56pm	Print Post
	Another problem was the auto loaders would drop a wad stack sideways into the case on a rare occasion. to confirm removal of the wads was a good idea they over several weeks they fired with and without wads in carbine rounds at various range to five hundred yards and the loads without were more accurate. Suggest that today and the fires of hell would come down on you by the x-spurts!


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texasmac Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1902 Location: Central Texas Joined: Aug 16^th, 2004	Re: Interesting info on original carbine 45-70 loads Reply #4 - Dec 16^th, 2022 at 7:20pm	Print Post
	Tom_Trevor assra life no.71 wrote on Dec 16^th, 2022 at 5:56pm: Another problem was the auto loaders would drop a wad stack sideways into the case on a rare occasion. To confirm removal of the wads was a good idea they, over several weeks, fired with and without wads in carbine rounds at various range to five hundred yards and the loads without were more accurate. Suggest that today and the fires of hell would come down on you by the x-spurts! Tom, I have not done extensive testing but find that loads without wads tend to increase bore leading. I'm betting the accuracy increase in the test you mentioned was a result of the bullet not being affected downrange by a wad sticking to the base. Due to the potential of bore leading I'm sticking with using an over-powder wad. Wayne

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