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Crown-C Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 493 Location: St. Marys Kansas Joined: Apr 6^th, 2009	Re: Pope Style Re- & Decappers Reply #90 - Dec 30^th, 2022 at 3:36pm	Print Post
	marlinguy wrote on Dec 30^th, 2022 at 11:30am: Crown-C wrote on Dec 30^th, 2022 at 10:09am: I have this seater and it’s marked : R. Pope, I have not heard of him before. Also don’t know what rifle manufacturer it’s made for. Anyone know of R. Pope? Richard, I have the same tool that's to the lower right of your "Pope" tool. Mine looks like a Schoyen style, and has the same sheet metal piece that rests against your hand when it's used. Any idea who made that tool you have below the Pope:R? Vall, I don’t think it has any markings on it. I sorta assume it’s a Schoyen clone with the added flipped up lip.

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jfeldman ASSRA Board Member Offline Posts: 1081 Location: Imperial Beach, Ca Joined: Nov 5^th, 2005	Re: Pope Style Re- & Decappers Reply #91 - Dec 30^th, 2022 at 3:44pm	Print Post
	Here's one that's been attributed to Bo Clerke. I have no idea how many he may have made............ Regards, Joe


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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 16076 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: Pope Style Re- & Decappers Reply #92 - Dec 30^th, 2022 at 5:37pm	Print Post
	Crown-C wrote on Dec 30^th, 2022 at 3:36pm: marlinguy wrote on Dec 30^th, 2022 at 11:30am: Richard, I have the same tool that's to the lower right of your "Pope" tool. Mine looks like a Schoyen style, and has the same sheet metal piece that rests against your hand when it's used. Any idea who made that tool you have below the Pope:R? Vall, I don’t think it has any markings on it. I sorta assume it’s a Schoyen clone with the added flipped up lip. Same conclusion I had Richard. The sheet metal piece puzzled me for a long time until I actually grasped the tool as I would to use it. Then it was one of those "duh" moments when I realized what the maker was doing with it.

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Green_Frog Frequent Elocutionist Offline "It ain't easy being green" ASSRA Life #281 Posts: 4017 Location: Lynchburg, VA Joined: Apr 18^th, 2004	Re: Pope Style Re- & Decappers Reply #93 - Dec 31^st, 2022 at 3:30pm	Print Post
	Seeing the Bo Clerke tool, I'm beginning to wonder whether it would be possible to make a head to go on one of Jake Simmons' tools to convert it so it would take some kind of interchangeable shell holders. That collar on Mr Clerke's tool seems to fulfill that function. I'm thinking if I make an adaptor, add a longer priming stem inside... bada bing, bada boom, it's convertible! Does anyone see any difficulty with that? Froggie


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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 16076 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: Pope Style Re- & Decappers Reply #94 - Dec 31^st, 2022 at 5:25pm	Print Post
	Green_Frog wrote on Dec 31^st, 2022 at 3:30pm: Seeing the Bo Clerke tool, I'm beginning to wonder whether it would be possible to make a head to go on one of Jake Simmons' tools to convert it so it would take some kind of interchangeable shell holders. That collar on Mr Clerke's tool seems to fulfill that function. I'm thinking if I make an adaptor, add a longer priming stem inside... bada bing, bada boom, it's convertible! Does anyone see any difficulty with that? Froggie Most of the repro Chick or Pope re-decappers have a screw on head, so they could have the head replaced by a screw on base that accepted common shell holders. But the issue might be travel of the priming rods, and whether they'd reach the case to prime it? The other issue would be the way those tools decap, and the new base for shell holders would need the same lip to capture the rim for depriming. If you shortened the body to ensure the priming rod reached, then need to make a lip on the new base to capture the rims. Not sure how the Clerke tool catches the rim to deprime, but seems it's doable. Might be easier to make new tools that work with the shell holders like a Meacham does vs. reworking existing tools.

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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 16076 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: Pope Style Re- & Decappers Reply #95 - Jan 6^th, 2023 at 5:55pm	Print Post
	Not a Chick or Pope tool, but I just received this Remington 3rd model tool this morning! My good friend JerryH pointed me towards it, and I purchased it just this week. (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) For whatever reason the vast majority of Remington Re-decappers are for shotgun cartridges, but occasionally one shows up in a rifle cartridge. This one is marked "40 B" for the .40 caliber Ballard cartridges. It fits my .40-63 and my .40-85 Everlasting cases, and once you figure out how it works it pops the boxer primers right out! A Remington tool for a Ballard cartridge is even tougher to find. These are also almost always bare steel, but this one appears to be nickeled. I see some minor flaking, but overall it's in great shape.

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Crown-C Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 493 Location: St. Marys Kansas Joined: Apr 6^th, 2009	Re: Pope Style Re- & Decappers Reply #96 - Jan 6^th, 2023 at 6:59pm	Print Post
	Nice one Vall! I also was able to pick one up a couple years ago, but it’s just marked .40.

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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 16076 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: Pope Style Re- & Decappers Reply #97 - Jan 6^th, 2023 at 7:13pm	Print Post
	Crown-C wrote on Jan 6^th, 2023 at 6:59pm: Nice one Vall! I also was able to pick one up a couple years ago, but it’s just marked .40. This one is marked in each "cavity" separately. So 40 in the cavity to decap, and B in the cavity to prime.

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Crown-C Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 493 Location: St. Marys Kansas Joined: Apr 6^th, 2009	Re: Pope Style Re- & Decappers Reply #98 - Jan 6^th, 2023 at 7:38pm	Print Post
	Maybe I need to look closer at mine!

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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 16076 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: Pope Style Re- & Decappers Reply #99 - Jan 7^th, 2023 at 11:49am	Print Post
	Crown-C wrote on Jan 6^th, 2023 at 7:38pm: Maybe I need to look closer at mine! Might not be marked the same as mine since yours appears to have just the priming part, and not decapping also? So maybe they didn't have room to mark both without the two areas for cases? Have you tried a case in it to see which .40 fits the cut?

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Crown-C Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 493 Location: St. Marys Kansas Joined: Apr 6^th, 2009	Re: Pope Style Re- & Decappers Reply #100 - Jan 7^th, 2023 at 3:57pm	Print Post
	Mine does appear to just seat the primer. And there are no other caliber markings. Haven’t checked it with a cartridge yet.

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TRowe Full Member Offline Posts: 173 Joined: Sep 4^th, 2017	Re: Pope Style Re- & Decappers Reply #101 - Jan 8^th, 2023 at 10:35am	Print Post
	The patent was held by both Martines Chick and Harvey McMurchy. McMurchy was an exhibition shooter for Hunter Arms Co. (L.C. Smith). The patent was issued in Sept. 1903, oddly Stevens showed it in their catalog in March 1903 which was before the pat. was issued. It was listed as available in any caliber and I have seen them ranging from the .22 WRF to .45-70. Very few were marked with the patent date by Stevens. The Schoyen/Peterson closely resembles the Chick re-decapper and what the arrangement on the use of the Patent by both Stevens and S/P is unknown to me. I would guess (note guess) that Pope saw the Chick tool when he was shooting at Shell Mound in 1901 and showed it to the people at Stevens.


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rkba2nd Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1924 Location: earth Joined: Feb 16^th, 2009	Re: Pope Style Re- & Decappers Reply #102 - Jan 8^th, 2023 at 2:48pm	Print Post
	Perhaps the 22WCF Tom. Long time no see, Hope all is well. Krag

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Cbashooter Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1569 Location: Eastern Wa. Joined: Mar 31^st, 2018	Re: Pope Style Re- & Decappers Reply #103 - Jan 11^th, 2023 at 7:14pm	Print Post
	here is a Weber de-re and also one of his breech seaters for a Ruger #1 in 256 mag throated for the 118 Barnett bullet shown.


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830singleshot Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 404 Location: Texas Joined: Feb 11^th, 2007	Re: Pope Style Re- & Decappers Reply #104 - Jan 11^th, 2023 at 8:10pm	Print Post
	I would love to see that Webber re-de capper disassembled and laid out. Thanks for posting.

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