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Reply #15 - Dec 10th, 2022 at 9:27am
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I'll second the 38-55! Here's my #5 smokeless action in same. Had it done up to be a light sporter for whitetail hunting. 
A friend is having his re-lined to 30-30. 

I also have a NYSM 50-70. Been using 3.5 gr Trailboss. Use a 3.1 cc Lee dipper to measure and the Lee 450 gr cast bullet. It's a near full but non compressed load as should be for TB. Shoots well enough for plinking. My rifle has a decent bore and I'm sure I can come up with a better mix. 

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Reply #16 - Dec 11th, 2022 at 11:58pm
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I prefer shooting black powder with the 477 grain Creedmoor bullet in my .50-70 NYS Rolling Block.

Easier to clean a black powder rifle after firing than getting all that stupid copper out of the rifling when using smokeless powder.

George Custer enjoyed shooting buffalo and elk with his .50-70 Rolling Block with BP.
  
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Re: Rolling block
Reply #17 - Dec 14th, 2022 at 11:33pm
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Cbashooter wrote on Dec 10th, 2022 at 4:38am:
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i thought you said the #5 had deeper chambers? you are describing setting the shoulder back for a shallower chamber. .
unless it's just I am misunderstanding?

my 7mm roller I made cases from 30-06 but the die was backed off due to longer headspace. The problem I also had was the neck diameter of the fired case could nearly take a .308 bullet! case necks don't last long with those chambers  Expansion was about 25 thou' IIRC.I swear the neck also had a strange double shoulder.after firing. I gave up on loading for them.


George, to test whether my resized cases were filling the chamber, I backed the 7mm FL die off a quarter-turn and sized and trimmed to length several cases. They wouldn't chamber. Ran the die back in, resized, and they chambered. So I'm indeed filling the chamber. And NO powder gas or particles in the face and no bright ring on the case. And no pulling the barrel and machining it. I think we are comparing apples and oranges- after all, there are THREE sets of specs involved- the original German specs, whatever Remington used, and current SAAMI specs. I (very crudely) measured a 1913 DWM round, a 1935 FN round, and contemporary PPU, Hornady, and R-P rounds. I measured head to shoulder break and head to halfway down shoulder, the standard headspace measurement. The contemporary cases seemed to measure 2 to 3 thousands LONGER than the 1913 and 1935 cases. My resized cases were 2 thousands SHORTER than SAAMI specs. Major gun companies, including Remington, were notorious for varying specs back then. Was I shortening the cases? Well, my cases seem to measure 2 thousands less than the specs called for in MODERN RELOADING by LEE, but roughly the same as actual old rounds. Numerous writers I've seen quoted in ASSRA postings have specified pulling the barrel, setting it back a thread, and replacing in the receiver. Using the above method, anyone wishing to fire a #5 safely can do so without buying anything, even  a form and trim die. Well, except for a small metal-cutting disc and mandrel from Lowe's to trim the cases. That's real scut work. What are your thoughts, George?

P.S. The necks on my resized cases are bulged or expanded too. As was a #4 .22 RB I had. The case mouths would split upon firing. The steel in some of these Remingtons was pretty poor, apparently. Perhaps that's what happened to your #5.
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Reply #18 - Dec 15th, 2022 at 12:46am
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I had a #5 carbine in 7mm and just did a couple of things with new brass to get it set up properly. I put a 1/4 inch wide single strip of tape around the head before the first firing which did 2 things. One, it centered the brass in the chamber so that it would form concentrically and, two, it kept the case from being driven into the chamber when struck by the firing pin and then stretched back as it slammed the block. The result was a nicely formed case that had the shoulder at the correct distance from the block for the chamber. Of course, I only had to neck size after that. It was an incredible shooter with 160 grain Norma round nose bullets in spite of its almost smooth bore appearance. I'm sorry that when I had Higginbotham rebuild it as a 50-70 that he did not return the 7mm barrel as I had requested. But, the 50-70 that I got back was so beautiful that I hardly dared to complain.
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Reply #19 - Dec 15th, 2022 at 1:13am
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REALLY. Incredible. Thanks, gonna try that tomorrow. Uh, what kind of tape?
  
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Reply #20 - Dec 15th, 2022 at 1:17am
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Electrical! It will take a good push to get it fully chambered for that first firing and then you can take the tape off.
  
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Reply #21 - Dec 15th, 2022 at 5:06am
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Oneatatime - that is a gorgeous rifle! 

Conincidental to this discussion, last night I loaded some 7mm for my Uruguayan rebel carbine. I've used both methods to fire form the brass - tape on the base and expanding the neck with a .30-06 expander, then using the 7x57 die to neck size back down until the breech just barely closes. Both methods work, but I prefer the latter. Annealing the case necks is a must. 
  
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