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Marlene
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50-70 carbine loads
Nov 28th, 2022 at 10:46pm
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Hi all, 
I've been looking into original loads for a NYS rolling block carbine. I ran across a reference to a lighter 55 grain powder load for carbines. There wasn't any more detail than that or a reference. Anybody know more about these loads?

Anybody got anything else to say about loading for one of these? Should I just fill 'em up and be tough about it? I'm curious about the historical loads more for the sights than my shoulder.
  
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Re: 50-70 carbine loads
Reply #1 - Nov 29th, 2022 at 10:32am
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There a a couple different loads to look for, and Sharps was a bit different than Remington. 

I believe it was Remington that had a 50 Navy carbine load that was around 50-55 grains. Used the standard bullet, but The case might have been shortened. Only read about it, never seen one.

For Sharps the original percussion rifle load was insert the ball, drop 55 grains into the chamber.

For my Sharps cavalry carbine I have two loads for 1.5 Swiss and Lyman 515141 425 grain bullet.

If I want the bullet to start engraving into the rifling and slightly compress the powder, I load 65 grains by weight.

Roughly 50 grains of powder allows for slight compression and the bullet is seated with the case mouth just above the top lube groove and a slight crimp.

With a rifle that weighs in just under 8#, the 15 grains is noticeable.

Accuracy is about the same. With original the rear sight, I can see the target and either the front or rear sight. It’s just fun to shoot.
  
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Re: 50-70 carbine loads
Reply #2 - Nov 29th, 2022 at 11:46am
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The Remington M1867 Navy carbine took the shorter .50-45 cartridge. I have one and shoot it occasionally. A 350gr bullet is appropriate. For a lighter .50-70 carbine load, I'd go with a 350gr bullet too. I've shot this bullet in my .50-70 trapdoor and NY rolling block. It's a little easier on the shoulder.
  
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Re: 50-70 carbine loads
Reply #3 - Nov 29th, 2022 at 1:09pm
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Did you do a chamber cast? Will it chamber a 50-70 cart or the shorter 50-45? -
  
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Re: 50-70 carbine loads
Reply #4 - Nov 29th, 2022 at 8:34pm
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it will chamber the full length 50-70. 

Thanks for the tips, gents! I guess I'll just load a bunch of things and see if any shoot near the sights. Powder at 55 and 70 and bullets at 350 and 425 give me four five shot groups to guess from. Anybody think I'm missing anything especially promising in that selection?
  
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Reply #5 - Nov 29th, 2022 at 8:41pm
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Have you slugged the bore to find groove and bore size? .50-70s vary a lot. Size your bullets to groove size or .001" over. My NY state rifle runs .510" which is unusually small. 
  
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Reply #6 - Nov 29th, 2022 at 9:51pm
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I haven't yet.
  
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Reply #7 - Dec 1st, 2022 at 9:31am
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Since I have 3 carbines in 50-70, I have been trying about 62 grains GOEX FFg and the Lyman 515139 (350 grain) bullet.   I had hoped to do more experimenting this year but other things kept getting in the way.  I did try that in my 50-70 Peabody and it shot reasonably well.   I use that same bullet with 40 to 45 grains of FFFg in several other carbines  (Maynard, Spencer, and 56-50 Peabody).  Those loads are much easier on the shoulder.   The NY Carbine is chambered for the 50-70.   I don't think anything but those early USN carbines used the 50-45 (shorter) carbine round.

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Re: 50-70 carbine loads
Reply #8 - Dec 2nd, 2022 at 4:14pm
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For a reduced load in my BP rifles, I use cork wads to take up space.  Tractor Supply or a Fleet Farm store will have cork gasket material approximately 1/8" thick.  Your BP load can change but the OAL of your cartridge will stay the same.

Keep on hav'n fun!
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