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Douglas 32 cal .319...bullets?
Nov 4th, 2022 at 7:31pm
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What accuracy bullets have you Guys found that work well with the .319 Douglas barrel? I know David Moss has one around 205?  Curious on lightest to heaviest bullets that work. Kinda screws me up with all my other barrels being 321-322,I have like eight moulds from 165 to 242 grain.Thankyou,appreciate it.Pete
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Reply #1 - Nov 4th, 2022 at 7:52pm
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Why not resize a few of the ones you already have? It sure would be inexpensive, and cheaper, too. What the heck, it's only a couple of thou. Roll Eyes
  
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Reply #2 - Nov 5th, 2022 at 7:57am
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Hi Pete,

I use the Mos 205gr mould CPA recommended with my .319 Douglas barrel. The base band measures .322 and its the best preforming bullet I've used in this barrel to date.

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Reply #3 - Nov 5th, 2022 at 10:10am
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For fixed ammo or breech seating? 

Throat configuration/diameter? Gently tapered leade on the rifling lands or an abrupt one? First thing I would do is perform a chamber cast to determine all that, it will determine the best bullet diameter, and if it should be tapered/non-tapered. I would then consult with Accurate Molds and have a mold cut to satisfy its demands. I may be all wet, but it's how I would approach a new barrel.
  
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Reply #4 - Nov 5th, 2022 at 11:40am
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Ya I have a 321 sizer die...and A 320 I made from a Lee sizer die for my German Rifle. The 14 twist  was what I was wondering on  with bullet weight.
  

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Reply #5 - Nov 5th, 2022 at 11:50am
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Might be time to apply the Greenhill Formula to determine optimal bullet length (weight is inconsequential in that regard). Don't know the formula off the top of my head, I have to Google it every time I need it. (Greenhill not optimal for jacketed high vel stuff, but good for our slow moving cast stuff.)
  
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Reply #6 - Nov 5th, 2022 at 11:54am
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I'll size down the 205,215,217,220 ...have A 165,185,200,230,and 242 also. I just wanted to hear what others had settled on since there are A ton of CPA's out there with this Douglas .319 14 twist barrel!
  

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Reply #7 - Nov 5th, 2022 at 12:02pm
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Mine stabilizes fine in my 15 twist barrel. The Mos bullet from my mould is 1.1 in length.
  

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Reply #8 - Nov 5th, 2022 at 12:06pm
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Same bullet out of a 14 twist barrel 1475fps.

Sg: 1.78
The bullet will be well stabilized and yaw will be minimized. This is a good twist for maximum ballistic performance.

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Reply #9 - Nov 5th, 2022 at 1:34pm
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Pete you are a better schuetzen shooter than me, but here is what my CPA with the 0.319" Douglas barrel likes. 

Hoch 320200D  ( the D is supposed to signify that its for a Douglas barrel ).  Pope style 1.070" long.  Bands are 0.320, 0.319, 0.317, 0.316, 0.315, 0.312, nose 0.311

I also have a similar one that Steve Brooks cut for me that might be a little better.  It's the same style of bullet, but with slightly larger bands but it's still possible to seat with a plugged case when cast in 20:1.  It's 1.050" long, bands at 0.322", 0.320, 0.318, 0.316, 0.314, 0.314, 0.314.   I'm pretty sure this bullet is capable of shooting a 250 in capable hands.  

I should add that I have the Mos mold that CPA sells but there is no way to use it in this rifle without a seater with some leverage.

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Reply #10 - Nov 5th, 2022 at 2:17pm
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Douglas barrels spend their share of time in the winner's column. Testing loads will give you facts for a decision. Perhaps you can borrow a different mold (or simply get bullets) from fellow competitors to try. 

I have a Shilen barrel that is .3199 with a long tapered leade for breech-seating. This shoots well. I'm testing both a tapered bullet and a straight bullet for next year. Both are 208 grain bullets in my 22:1 alloy. I'll report back once it stops raining and I can get to the range.
  

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Reply #11 - Nov 6th, 2022 at 4:14am
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When Dean Miller built my 32 MS he used a Douglas barrel.  He had Jerry Barnett (?) make his standard 205 semi-spitzer mold designed around the Douglas barrel interior dimensions.  Never really sized them.  Doc Brewer had a friend that made a swaging press like the old Mighty Mite.  He had me cast up a hundred or so at his shop, and we just picked out a dozen or so identical weight, lubed them, and then sent them to BSS.  He made a swaging die and press for me that just "uniformed" them.  At the time I could make about sixty good ones per hour.

I miss Jerry, his standard joke was "PONTIAC"; Poor Old Nebraskan Thinks It's A Cadillac.

If you could find somebody with one of Jerry's molds...  Buy a handful and get a mold made by somebody like Accurate Molds.

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Reply #12 - Nov 6th, 2022 at 7:28am
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gunlaker wrote on Nov 5th, 2022 at 1:34pm:
Pete you are a better schuetzen shooter than me, but here is what my CPA with the 0.319" Douglas barrel likes. 

Hoch 320200D  ( the D is supposed to signify that its for a Douglas barrel ).  Pope style 1.070" long.  Bands are 0.320, 0.319, 0.317, 0.316, 0.315, 0.312, nose 0.311

I also have a similar one that Steve Brooks cut for me that might be a little better.  It's the same style of bullet, but with slightly larger bands but it's still possible to seat with a plugged case when cast in 20:1.  It's 1.050" long, bands at 0.322", 0.320, 0.318, 0.316, 0.314, 0.314, 0.314.   I'm pretty sure this bullet is capable of shooting a 250 in capable hands.  

I should add that I have the Mos mold that CPA sells but there is no way to use it in this rifle without a seater with some leverage.

Chris.






Wonder if the throat is different on the .32-20CPA. I was seating my Mos bullets with a plugged case before I got a Weber seater.
  

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Reply #13 - Nov 6th, 2022 at 9:02am
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rkaires wrote on Nov 6th, 2022 at 7:28am:
gunlaker wrote on Nov 5th, 2022 at 1:34pm:
Pete you are a better schuetzen shooter than me, but here is what my CPA with the 0.319" Douglas barrel likes. 

Hoch 320200D  ( the D is supposed to signify that its for a Douglas barrel ).  Pope style 1.070" long.  Bands are 0.320, 0.319, 0.317, 0.316, 0.315, 0.312, nose 0.311

I also have a similar one that Steve Brooks cut for me that might be a little better.  It's the same style of bullet, but with slightly larger bands but it's still possible to seat with a plugged case when cast in 20:1.  It's 1.050" long, bands at 0.322", 0.320, 0.318, 0.316, 0.314, 0.314, 0.314.   I'm pretty sure this bullet is capable of shooting a 250 in capable hands.  

I should add that I have the Mos mold that CPA sells but there is no way to use it in this rifle without a seater with some leverage.

Chris.






Wonder if the throat is different on the .32-20CPA. I was seating my Mos bullets with a plugged case before I got a Weber seater.


I wouldn't be surprised if they have different throats.  I have two .32-40 CPA's and they have completely different chambers.  One has nearly no throat at all, the rifling seems to start at the case mouth with no taper, while the other one has a long taper.

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Reply #14 - Nov 6th, 2022 at 10:38am
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I have  Hoch 200 gr. mould both  both A BS and a fixed.I'll check if theres a "D"I know they drop out at .321. Looks like the my Accurate 205 is the bullet( I see I also have a B&D in 207),though I prefer heavier for BR shooting,the lightest possible for offhand. Snow on the ground,no elk on the hillside yet.    thanks Guys
  

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