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Reply #45 - Oct 4th, 2022 at 4:12pm
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If I was in your shoes they’d have to hit me with a tranquilizer gun. I’d be smokin hot and unable to rationalize my next move. I asked this before but nobody can tell me who underwrites the packaging operation of USPS. I can’t even find a clue how they handle claims but I suspect they self insure this line and if so it sure explains how they evade conventional insurance protocol and laws. In normal insurance claims there must be a claim # and a timeline for responses revealing the actions taken to resolve the loss. I have to admit I’m not up to speed on their terms and contract as I’m guessing it’s that long white tape/receipt with all the microscopic verbage. 

My Brother used to shoot and hang out with a US Postal Inspector now retired and he used to track firearms but who knows anymore. If I were you I’d reach out to your Local congressional rep. I know it sounds far reached but they can often make a few calls and get things moving

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Reply #46 - Oct 4th, 2022 at 7:29pm
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I may try my local congressman, but they're all antigun liberals, and not sure they'd care that USPS is losing my gun, and not paying my insurance claim.
I was sure to attach images of the gun, and also the email from me and the buyer to document what the agreed price was; which was actually higher than my insured amount.
But if they wont tell me why it was denied, it's impossible to appeal based on no knowledge of denial.
I was told that if I filed a small claims court case they usually pay up right away as they don't want to waste time attending or defending a lost cause. But not sure who gets served the papers? Does it just go to my local post office where I bought the insurance, or some other place?
  

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Reply #47 - Oct 5th, 2022 at 10:05am
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marlinguy wrote on Oct 4th, 2022 at 7:29pm:
I may try my local congressman, but they're all antigun liberals, and not sure they'd care that USPS is losing my gun, and not paying my insurance claim.
I was sure to attach images of the gun, and also the email from me and the buyer to document what the agreed price was; which was actually higher than my insured amount.
But if they wont tell me why it was denied, it's impossible to appeal based on no knowledge of denial.
I was told that if I filed a small claims court case they usually pay up right away as they don't want to waste time attending or defending a lost cause. But not sure who gets served the papers? Does it just go to my local post office where I bought the insurance, or some other place?


Not sure if you explored this already but call the US Postal Inspector and report a gun theft. They used to be serious federal law enforcement agency that pursued mail theft and fraud. Worth a try
  
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Reply #48 - Oct 5th, 2022 at 10:24am
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burntwater wrote on Oct 5th, 2022 at 10:05am:
[quote author=777B687673747D6F631A0 link=1663255173/46#46 date=1664926176] 

Not sure if you explored this already but call the US Postal Inspector and report a gun theft. They used to be serious federal law enforcement agency that pursued mail theft and fraud. Worth a try


Not sure if you've tried calling any entity within USPS lately, but from what I've experienced from the beginning of this fiasco there's nobody answering any phones at USPS. And my initial complaint via the USPS system addressed to USPS Postal Inspectors went unacknowledged at all.
The USPS is making a concerted effort to not answer phones, or not even list phone numbers for many departments. Even my local postal station's phone number gets no answer, no matter how long I let it ring.
  

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Reply #49 - Oct 5th, 2022 at 11:59am
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Our Tax Dollars at work.
Have you tried to Call a local Politician in area.
  

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Reply #50 - Oct 5th, 2022 at 12:35pm
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marlinguy wrote on Oct 5th, 2022 at 10:24am:
burntwater wrote on Oct 5th, 2022 at 10:05am:
[quote author=777B687673747D6F631A0 link=1663255173/46#46 date=1664926176] 

Not sure if you explored this already but call the US Postal Inspector and report a gun theft. They used to be serious federal law enforcement agency that pursued mail theft and fraud. Worth a try


Not sure if you've tried calling any entity within USPS lately, but from what I've experienced from the beginning of this fiasco there's nobody answering any phones at USPS. And my initial complaint via the USPS system addressed to USPS Postal Inspectors went unacknowledged at all.
The USPS is making a concerted effort to not answer phones, or not even list phone numbers for many departments. Even my local postal station's phone number gets no answer, no matter how long I let it ring.


Why these facts escaped my mind I can’t say but throughout this thread you continually tell us you can’t get anybody to answer. Anyway this just keeps getting worse with few if any options it appears. Try your congress rep. 

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Reply #51 - Oct 5th, 2022 at 2:01pm
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burntwater wrote on Oct 5th, 2022 at 12:35pm:
[quote author=323E2D333631382A265F0 link=1663255173/48#48 date=1664979890][quote author=484D595E4D564C3F0 link=1663255173/47#47 date=1664978734]
Why these facts escaped my mind I can’t say but throughout this thread you continually tell us you can’t get anybody to answer. Anyway this just keeps getting worse with few if any options it appears. Try your congress rep. 

Rick


Yes, I keep saying it, but it seems to still be brought up. It seems to be part of the USPS system to avoid having to answer questions verbally. They instead provide online forms that you can fill out, but those forms have multiple choice answers that don't apply to anything the average customer would be asking. I'm sure my claim was denied because I couldn't in most cases find a box to check that was close enough to what my answer should be.
  

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Reply #52 - Oct 5th, 2022 at 10:50pm
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Some years ago I had an original sharps sporting rifle shipped to me and broken at the wrist  by clearly intentional vandalism. I had my claim denied 3 times and I just kept resubmitting. It was all online even at that time. I made a real pita of myself.  One day I got a check in the mail for the full insured value. Could have knocked me over with a feather.
  
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Reply #53 - Oct 6th, 2022 at 9:55am
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marlinguy wrote on Oct 5th, 2022 at 2:01pm:
burntwater wrote on Oct 5th, 2022 at 12:35pm:
[quote author=323E2D333631382A265F0 link=1663255173/48#48 date=1664979890][quote author=484D595E4D564C3F0 link=1663255173/47#47 date=1664978734]
Why these facts escaped my mind I can’t say but throughout this thread you continually tell us you can’t get anybody to answer. Anyway this just keeps getting worse with few if any options it appears. Try your congress rep. 

Rick


Yes, I keep saying it, but it seems to still be brought up. It seems to be part of the USPS system to avoid having to answer questions verbally. They instead provide online forms that you can fill out, but those forms have multiple choice answers that don't apply to anything the average customer would be asking. I'm sure my claim was denied because I couldn't in most cases find a box to check that was close enough to what my answer should be.

Some advice given to me several years back is start a chain of e-mails to those in charge rather than making phone calls. This ties the slackers down to a legal document and forces their hand. Over the phone conversations never happened in their world.
  
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Reply #54 - Oct 6th, 2022 at 10:19am
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I'm told that USPS wont allow more than one claim per item. Also told you only get two appeals and then the system wont let you appeal anymore. 
I did contact the only congressman who actually has his site setup to send and accept emails. The other representative and senators only allow you to print out a form and then snail mail it to them for their staff to file in the trash bin.
Unfortunately we here in Oregon have no good congressmen or senators. All are bleeding heart left wing, tree hugging liberals, so I didn't mention what was in the package, just what has transpired, and how poorly USPS is not handling this claim, or delivery.
We'll see if it does any good, and in the meantime I'll keep trying to find a way to speak to a real person, if I can find anyone at USPS that answers a phone, or even cares to really help.
  

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Reply #55 - Oct 6th, 2022 at 10:37am
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Here's hoping it finally shows up, long long overdue and with no explanation or apology. 

  
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Reply #56 - Oct 6th, 2022 at 10:58am
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Be sure to notify BATF that a firearm has gone missing and that the Post Office is not investigating. There have been instances where they got involved to investigate firearms theft.

I know this as a retired 32 year veteran of the Post Office, and I can assure you that the service is but a ghost of what it once was, as you sadly are experiencing
  
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Reply #57 - Oct 6th, 2022 at 11:36am
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Otony wrote on Oct 6th, 2022 at 10:58am:
Be sure to notify BATF that a firearm has gone missing and that the Post Office is not investigating. There have been instances where they got involved to investigate firearms theft.

I know this as a retired 32 year veteran of the Post Office, and I can assure you that the service is but a ghost of what it once was, as you sadly are experiencing


Since all Ballard rifles are "antiques" by ATF rules, they have no concern about what they classify a "non firearm". So they also don't need to, or want to get involved.
  

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Reply #58 - Oct 6th, 2022 at 12:45pm
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Unless, of course, their investigation finds that the perp is also stealing modern guns;-)
  
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Reply #59 - Oct 6th, 2022 at 2:24pm
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My worst issue with the usps was a Sharps.  I was in my local gun/pawn shop one afternoon, asked per usual if they had anything neat coming out of pawn.  Owner's son-in-law goes in the back and comes back with an early Droege/Schoffstall business rifle in 45-70.

The serial number was EK100.  They had built it for Elmer Keith just after Droege migrated to Montana.
I just said "how much...?".  $2600 out the door.  Keith had left it to his grandson and medical issues had forced him to pawn it.  I was 7-inches taller and the butt stock was way too short for me.  I bought a very nice two-piece stock blank set, and had it restocked.  A couple years later a Sharps collector in Denver bought it for about twice what I had in it.  It arrives two-day and there is a clear forklift tire tread across it about 1/3rd from one end.  Fortunately he was at the gun shop when the carrier tried to get the store owner to "just sign, I'm running late...".  The good news; it had broken the original butt stock at the wrist, no other damage to the rifle  It turned out I had to institute the claim, since I had mailed and insured it.  They fought me for three weeks.  I just decided enough of this BS and called my US Senator's office about it.  The next afternoon I had the regional supervisor on the phone.  He was very contrite, and wanted to know how much to settle the claim.  I got the cost of the blank, a full repair cost, and the estimated cost to refinish the metal.  Forget the metal work, it needed none.
That was the last usps firearms shipment I did.

I suggest the US Senator route.  The po really hates having a congressman's office call them.

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