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wogdon Newbie Offline Posts: 3 Location: el centro ca Joined: Dec 6^th, 2021	Smokeless Loads 40-65 Winchester and 400 gr bullet Jul 1^st, 2022 at 2:36pm	Print Post
	Looking for some starting smokeless loads (Powder and Grs) 40-65 Win 1/16 Twist 394 gr bullet Will be used mostly at 200 yds


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MikeK Participating Member Offline Posts: 34 Location: Northern Virginia Joined: Jul 21^st, 2018	Re: Smokeless Loads 40-65 Winchester and 400 gr bullet Reply #1 - Jul 1^st, 2022 at 2:47pm	Print Post
	Here's some info: (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) Mike


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art_ruggiero Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1086 Location: CT Joined: Dec 14^th, 2008	Re: Smokeless Loads 40-65 Winchester and 400 gr bullet Reply #2 - Jul 1^st, 2022 at 4:38pm	Print Post
	22 gr. 4198 no filler accurate and safe art


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Hiwall55 Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 468 Location: west central Illinois Joined: Jun 30^th, 2012	Re: Smokeless Loads 40-65 Winchester and 400 gr bullet Reply #3 - Jul 1^st, 2022 at 6:21pm	Print Post
	21 grain of 5744.


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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Online Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 16109 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: Smokeless Loads 40-65 Winchester and 400 gr bullet Reply #4 - Jul 2^nd, 2022 at 12:00am	Print Post
	4198 has been my go to for this cartridge, and many other large capacity hyphenated cartridges for years. Running loads through my ballistic program shows 4198 to have a nice gentle pressure rise, and maximum pressures lower than BP has. My load of 22 grs. of 4198 with a 400 gr. bullet is under 12,000 psi. and very accurate.

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1Hawkeye Junior Member Offline Posts: 73 Location: South end of Northern Virginia Joined: Jun 29^th, 2019	Re: Smokeless Loads 40-65 Winchester and 400 gr bullet Reply #5 - Jul 3^rd, 2022 at 4:02pm	Print Post
	I'm having great results with 22.0 grs of reloader 7 with a NOE 412400 400gr. I haven't chronoe'd it yet but its a very accurate and mild recoiling load.


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Mal Full Member Offline Posts: 220 Location: Adelaide SOUTH AUSTRALIA Joined: Dec 5^th, 2012	Re: Smokeless Loads 40-65 Winchester and 400 gr bullet Reply #6 - Jul 3^rd, 2022 at 9:12pm	Print Post
	27 gns 2207 ( 4198). 380 gn Brooks 2 dia. Fixed .Swede Roller 4 went .75” 5 th took it to 1” up there but no signs of pressure. Beats cleaning BP which by the way is like Rocking H. poo here in OZ. Cheers Mal.


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gunlaker Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2273 Location: lower mainland, B.C. Joined: Dec 13^th, 2010	Re: Smokeless Loads 40-65 Winchester and 400 gr bullet Reply #7 - Jul 5^th, 2022 at 9:22am	Print Post
	When you guys say 4198, do you mean H-4198 or IMR-4198? thanks, Chris.


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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Online Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 16109 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: Smokeless Loads 40-65 Winchester and 400 gr bullet Reply #8 - Jul 5^th, 2022 at 10:15am	Print Post
	gunlaker wrote on Jul 5^th, 2022 at 9:22am: When you guys say 4198, do you mean H-4198 or IMR-4198? thanks, Chris. Unless you're pushing max loads I use either with the same charges. I think most of mine is IMR currently.

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gunlaker Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2273 Location: lower mainland, B.C. Joined: Dec 13^th, 2010	Re: Smokeless Loads 40-65 Winchester and 400 gr bullet Reply #9 - Jul 5^th, 2022 at 3:24pm	Print Post
	Thanks Val. Chris.


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semtav Full Member Offline Posts: 100 Joined: Oct 2^nd, 2009	Re: Smokeless Loads 40-65 Winchester and 400 gr bullet Reply #10 - Jul 8^th, 2022 at 4:50pm	Print Post
	20-22 gr range of 4227 works very well also.


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4570mike Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 386 Location: On the Peninsula Joined: Apr 11^th, 2013	Re: Smokeless Loads 40-65 Winchester and 400 gr bullet Reply #11 - Jul 9^th, 2022 at 8:32am	Print Post
	This thread was very timely. I have been looking for alternative 40-65 loads due to the limited supply of various powder types. I had some IMR 4189 and decided to try the 22 gr. load with some 330 gr. slugs. I didn't have any 400 gr. cast so the lighter ones were used. Primers were Fed 210M. The rifle was a Cody Ballard; 32", Douglas, 1:16 twist. Peep sights. We were sighting at a regulation ram at 500 yds. for a target. All the hits were very consistent. For ten shots, the average velocity was 1,310 FPS. The SD was 27.5. I had five more loaded the same, but with a 1.25"X1.25" square of very thin TP pushed over the powder. This gave an average velocity of 1404 FPS with an SD of 6.6. While this was a very limited sampling, the results were very encouraging. I use the 330 gr. slug often as it has no difficulty knocking over rams at 500M and offers a slight reprieve to my aging shoulder. I'll try some lighter powder loads and try to get the velocities down closer to 1250-1300 FPS. The TP seemed to make a difference and will merit further use. BTW, the 4198 has given very good results in 38-55 loadings. Mike.
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Todd Participating Member Offline Posts: 12 Location: Iowa Joined: Jul 6^th, 2013	Re: Smokeless Loads 40-65 Winchester and 400 gr bullet Reply #12 - Jul 9^th, 2022 at 3:41pm	Print Post
	I have found 22 grains od 5744 with a 1 grain Dacron tuft to hold the powder in place under a 400 grain Money bullet very accurate in my Browning BPCR 40-65 16 twist. Todd


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waterman Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2835 Location: Behind the Redwood Curtain Joined: Jun 9^th, 2004	Re: Smokeless Loads 40-65 Winchester and 400 gr bullet Reply #13 - Jul 10^th, 2022 at 12:37pm	Print Post
	Todd wrote on Jul 9^th, 2022 at 3:41pm: I have found 22 grains of 5744 with a 1 grain Dacron tuft to hold the powder in place under a 400 grain Money bullet very accurate in my Browning BPCR 40-65 16 twist. Todd I was thinking about using 5744 in my Hepburn that is now a .40/70 Sharps Straight. But I would be afraid to use that Dacron tuft. Too many 5744 stories with less-than-fine results.


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Todd Participating Member Offline Posts: 12 Location: Iowa Joined: Jul 6^th, 2013	Re: Smokeless Loads 40-65 Winchester and 400 gr bullet Reply #14 - Jul 13^th, 2022 at 9:30pm	Print Post
	I wrestled with the Dacron issue too, but satisfied myself that done correctly works really well. Through research and testing found better chronograph numbers and accuracy. I know there have been instances with this powder but it's hard to know how people have treated fillers in their loading process. Also have read of issues without fillers and have seriously wondered if it's not a flash over or secondary detonation issue. Granted I have only used it in the Browning BPCR for testing and a few gong shoots. Todd


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