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Chief1966 Participating Member Offline Posts: 29 Location: Foot Hills of the Adirondacks Joined: Jun 3^rd, 2022	What size lead bullets to order? Jun 16^th, 2022 at 10:14am	Print Post
	I slugged the bbl of my Winchester 1885 32-40 and the slug measured .3215. I am thinking or ordering .323 lead bullets. What are your recommendations? Thanks


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RSW Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1189 Location: Arizona Joined: Sep 8^th, 2006	Re: What size lead bullets to order? Reply #1 - Jun 16^th, 2022 at 2:01pm	Print Post
	I recommend bullets of 1:20 alloy (tin:lead) if you can find them. Either diameter of .322 or 323 should work depending bullet profile and lead of your barrel just ahead of the chamber. Bullets of .322 will be easier to breech seat but either should shoot well if you are going to shoot fixed ammunition. Bullet lube makes a difference depending on if you will be shooting black or smokeless loads. Best of luck to you and please keep us informed of your progress.

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Chief1966 Participating Member Offline Posts: 29 Location: Foot Hills of the Adirondacks Joined: Jun 3^rd, 2022	Re: What size lead bullets to order? Reply #2 - Jun 16^th, 2022 at 2:10pm	Print Post
	I am looking at Montana Bullet Works, 165 gr. RNFP with a BHN of 15. I will be using smokeless powder.


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RSW Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1189 Location: Arizona Joined: Sep 8^th, 2006	Re: What size lead bullets to order? Reply #3 - Jun 16^th, 2022 at 4:09pm	Print Post
	I'm not sure how BHN 15 equates to 1:20 but guess it's harder. I'd go for the .322 as it's only a half thou larger than your groove diameter. That's enough to ensure bore is sealed so you won't get any powder gas blow-by. Do you plan to shoot fixed or breech seated?

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Chief1966 Participating Member Offline Posts: 29 Location: Foot Hills of the Adirondacks Joined: Jun 3^rd, 2022	Re: What size lead bullets to order? Reply #4 - Jun 16^th, 2022 at 6:26pm	Print Post
	I am shooting fixed reloads. I just found some info. BNH 15 is 5% tin, 5% antimony, 90% lead. BNH 10 is 5% tin, 95% lead. I do not cast so I am not sure what this all means!


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JLouis Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 10625 Joined: Apr 8^th, 2009	Re: What size lead bullets to order? Reply #5 - Jun 16^th, 2022 at 7:33pm	Print Post
	If you happen to have some chamber casting material on hand. I would recommend doing a chamber casting and to send it too who is ever going to make you mould. I would also tell them what your own specific use would be and also the alloy or even better yet some of the bullets from who you are buying them from and that you are also wanting to use. And also your barrels twist rate
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Piltdownman Participating Member Offline Posts: 32 Location: West USA Joined: Apr 10^th, 2022	Re: What size lead bullets to order? Reply #6 - Jun 16^th, 2022 at 7:47pm	Print Post
	JLouis wrote on Jun 16^th, 2022 at 7:33pm: If you happen to have some chamber casting material on hand. I would recommend doing a chamber casting and to send it too who is ever going to make you mould. I would also tell them what your own specific use would be and also the alloy or even better yet some of the bullets from who you are buying them from and that you are also wanting to use. And also your barrels twist rate Where did he say he was casting and ordering a mold? You drinking already,?

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Piltdownman Participating Member Offline Posts: 32 Location: West USA Joined: Apr 10^th, 2022	Re: What size lead bullets to order? Reply #7 - Jun 16^th, 2022 at 7:49pm	Print Post
	Chief1966 wrote on Jun 16^th, 2022 at 10:14am: I slugged the bbl of my Winchester 1885 32-40 and the slug measured .3215. I am thinking or ordering .323 lead bullets. What are your recommendations? Thanks With fixed ammo .322 or .323 should be fine to have fun. Don't overcomplicate it.

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calledflyer Frequent Elocutionist Online Posts: 3570 Joined: Mar 9^th, 2015	Re: What size lead bullets to order? Reply #8 - Jun 16^th, 2022 at 11:02pm	Print Post
	Chief, if you look again, that mix that was 95/5 percent is close enough to the 20/1 that we all talk about. If you can get some .322 bullets in that you are truly good to go. For what it's worth, though, I have been shooting the same Winchester highwall for nearly forty years and it shoots wheelweight bullets fixed pretty doggone well. Not as good as softer breech seated ones, but pretty well. I did check the hardness once and it was at bhn 12, it I recall. Good luck.


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Cbashooter Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1573 Location: Eastern Wa. Joined: Mar 31^st, 2018	Re: What size lead bullets to order? Reply #9 - Jun 17^th, 2022 at 1:37am	Print Post
	I'm with calledflyer,I've uses ww/scrap .32 and .30 plainbase bullets for years with good accuracy .typically they were about 15 bhn.


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Chief1966 Participating Member Offline Posts: 29 Location: Foot Hills of the Adirondacks Joined: Jun 3^rd, 2022	Re: What size lead bullets to order? Reply #10 - Jun 17^th, 2022 at 7:27am	Print Post
	Thank you all for your input. Along with the PM's I received the consensus is to go 2-3 thousands larger than my measurement. I ordered 100 to give them a try. Thanks


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Lead Pot Full Member Offline Posts: 130 Joined: Nov 12^th, 2012	Re: What size lead bullets to order? Reply #11 - Jun 17^th, 2022 at 12:31pm	Print Post
	Chief. Before you order your bullets. You have a chamber cast, measure the chamber dimensions at the neck and do a little math measuring the brass neck wall thickness to make sure that the 2-3 thousands oversized bullet will chamber with the case mouth expanded to except that bullet and being able to chamber the shell with out having to resize the bullet again so it will chamber the round. A bullet to large in diameter pushed too fast with smokeless powder you might end up with what you see in the photo. Your looking at unfired and fired bullets I recovered from a snow pile. I wanted to see what was going on with my accuracy.


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Chief1966 Participating Member Offline Posts: 29 Location: Foot Hills of the Adirondacks Joined: Jun 3^rd, 2022	Re: What size lead bullets to order? Reply #12 - Jun 17^th, 2022 at 6:47pm	Print Post
	Lead Pot I do not have the material to do a chamber cast. I tried reloading A Hornady jacketed bullet that measured .3215 without resizing the once fired case. I wanted to save on my brass by not resizing after each shot, 32-40 brass is difficult to come by. it was loose in the neck. So I believe I have enough room. In fact I may have to go back to not resizing the case to seat the .323 lead bullets, the .3215 jacketed bullets seated very nicely but the .323 bullets may be a tight squeeze in a resized case.


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Oldbee Junior Member Offline Posts: 93 Location: Foot Hills of the Adirondacks Joined: Sep 26^th, 2021	Re: What size lead bullets to order? Reply #13 - Jul 2^nd, 2022 at 10:21am	Print Post
	Well I got the lead bullets and they were a thousandths to large at .234. loaded 6 with 16 gr. of 5744 and the accuracy was awful. All to the right about 12-14 inches. I am cleaning the bbl now, with no leading so far. Back to square one, with an order for .232 bullets! You would not think a couple of thousandths would affect accuracy like that. The jacketed 170gr. Hornady shot well for me.

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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Online Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 16135 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: What size lead bullets to order? Reply #14 - Jul 2^nd, 2022 at 11:20am	Print Post
	I would never go 2-3 thousandths over groove diameter. The 323" would have been my choice for the groove diameter you got when slugging the bore. Going too far over groove size results in fins on the base band, which can have an adverse affect on the bullet after it leaves the bore.

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