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Leveling/squaring sights
May 21st, 2022 at 12:20pm
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So something isn't right.  I put my rifle in a vise and place a level on the top barrel flat.  I adjust the rifle in the vise until it is level front to back and side to side.  When all this is set the level in my front sight is not level.  Looking down the barrel the bubble is almost all the way to the right side.  The left side of the bubble is not quite touching my vertical cross hair.  If I move the rifle until the bubble in the front sight is level between the marks the rifle is severely canted to the right.  Someone said to level the sight bubble then shim my rear sight so it is level there.  There is no way I can shim the rear sight over that far.  I would need a shim over 1/4 inch thick.  I am about ready to throw the front sight bubble away and true the rear sight to the rifle.  Any suggestions? 
  
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Reply #1 - May 21st, 2022 at 12:40pm
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What make front sight? The Shaver spirit vial can be removed and flipped 180 degs, and this usually changes the bubble location. Are you using a precision level like a Starrett? Also in some cases the barrel can be turned (clocked) 1 way or the other---in or out if you are set up to do that. But you are limited in how much, the extractor may bind etc. Sight dovetails cut by using 2 side flats in vise may not be 90 deg to top flat, a vee block set up captures 4 flats.
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Reply #2 - May 21st, 2022 at 12:56pm
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KFW I did the same thing with one of my Distant Thunder front sights.  Flipping the sight level 180 degrees made my Starret level on the action agree with the front sight level. It wasn't all the way to the side though, just off by the size of the bubble.

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Reply #3 - May 21st, 2022 at 1:18pm
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Yes I just set up my sights this morning on a new gun. After rotating the vial, the bubble was level, but tightening the cap screw drew vial tube past the center line of insert. So 1 wrap of fine wire under the fixed cap on the opposite side prevented bubble tube from moving past center when snugged up. 
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Reply #4 - May 21st, 2022 at 1:22pm
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Thanks guys, it is a shaver.  I turned the bubble around and that got me close enough that the rifle isn't canted and a thin shim got the rear sight staff level with the front sight bubble.
  
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Reply #5 - May 22nd, 2022 at 12:41pm
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Now all you need to do is shoot your preferred load at 12.5 yards to see if it shoots centered at an elevation setting of 2+ inches.

Keep on hav'n fun!
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PS Each 1/8" the bullet center is off of the center line, is approximately 1 MOA.
  
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Reply #6 - May 22nd, 2022 at 4:22pm
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MikeT, would you please explain your thoughts on the 12.5 yds statement.  I am new to single shot rifles and would like to learn all I can.
  

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Reply #7 - May 22nd, 2022 at 6:22pm
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It is a method from the 1870's for setting your no-wind zero.  I am guessing that the originator of this method figured that a slight wind would not have an effect on the bullet that travels only 12.5 yards.

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Reply #8 - May 22nd, 2022 at 6:26pm
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Oldbee wrote on May 22nd, 2022 at 4:22pm:
MikeT, would you please explain your thoughts on the 12.5 yds statement.  I am new to single shot rifles and would like to learn all I can.


What he is referring to is that 12.5 yds is 1/8th of a 100 yds.  The method is to draw a cross with heavy vertical and horizontal black line on a piece of cardboard and post it 12.5 yds from the muzzle of your rifle.  Put a cross hair in your front sight and line it up on the target's cross.  Fire a shot and every 1/8" away from the vertical is one m.o.a.  You can drift your front sight in the direction needed until it lines up with the vertical and about 2" high and you should be on target.  One m.o.a. is just a smidge more but nobody counts the fine stuff.  If you're shooting passed 200 yds, you will want to be a little left of center to allow for spin drift.  Bob
  
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Reply #9 - May 22nd, 2022 at 7:44pm
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Very interesting, thanks guys!
  

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Reply #10 - May 24th, 2022 at 9:50am
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Thank you for replying with the 12.5 info, will definitely give that a try!
  
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Reply #11 - May 24th, 2022 at 10:25am
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Following past advice, I set my Soule tang stem up at a small left lean from true plumb to allow for spin drift at long range. Right now my no wind zero is right on at 600 yds, ultimate goal is zero at 800 at next range session.
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