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Front sight insert choice
May 16th, 2022 at 8:40am
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I have a few questions about front sight inserts.  I put a Shaver front sight on my rifle with the level.  It came with a bunch of different inserts.  I was shooting yesterday and did so-so.  Which insert do you prefer?  Do you change inserts for different range targets?  How do I "level" the level in my front sight?  I can tell when the bubble says it is level the rifle is canted.   
The group I shoot with is just an informal group of guys.   The range is not an official range.  We are just shooting for hits on steel.  The targets are different sizes.  We shoot 100, 200, 300, 400, 500, and 600 yards.  We just started shooting at this range and are slowly getting things the way we want.  Eventually would like to get things set up regulation size and want to one day include animal targets.  Any advice appreciated.
  
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Re: Front sight insert choice
Reply #1 - May 16th, 2022 at 9:03am
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Pretty simple to determine the accuracy of the sight level, if you are using an octagon barrel. Set the rifle up in a rest and lay a small level on the top flat and tweak the gun until the level reads plumb, then observe the spirit level on the sight. If the two don't jive then you have concrete proof of the sight level's inaccuracy. Beyond that someone else must inform you of how to correct it if it doesn't lay true.

As for which inserts to use, everybody has their own idea about how much a given target should fill the front aperture, or if a pin head or post insert should be used instead. It's whatever works best for you.
  
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Re: Front sight insert choice
Reply #2 - May 16th, 2022 at 9:10am
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If your front sight dovetail wasn’t cut straight across, it could perhaps be filed and/or shimmed straight.  You’d need to level the gun barrel in a milling or drill press vise with a machinist’s level, front-to-back and side-to-side, and then check the sight bubble as you shim or relieve the dovetail.

Or you could just hold the rifle with the bubble in the center.  The cant will be the same for all your shots.  Some high power shots deliberately cant their rifles to keep their necks straight or something.  Well above my shooting ability, though; hopefully somebody else here can give better advice on this.

You can buy a little caddy that holds and dispenses all your sight inserts.  Supposedly the ace shots are constantly switching them around in the course of matches, depending on the light, target size, shape and distance, etc, but I don’t see much of that happening at our matches.  All you can do for starters is try the inserts against the targets you shoot at and see if any of them is noticeably easier to hit with.

I pick the smallest aperture and leave it on mine; haven’t even taken the other inserts off the card in some cases. The smallest aperture seems to do the best for me, although I might like an even smaller aperture sometimes.  The Turkey silhouette in particular seems to have a lot of excess room to fly around in.
  
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Re: Front sight insert choice
Reply #3 - May 16th, 2022 at 11:36am
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There is a general rule or school of thought that a person 
should always err on the side of too big a front aperture 
rather than too small. 
Too small results in a minimal "line of white" around the target such that the eye has more problems centering up on/around the target.  
This also applies with the square post used in service rifles.
As the eyes aged, I definitely found that a wider 0.072" post enabled
me to hold tighter on the bull as compared to the NM 0.052" post.
All  depends on personal eye acuity
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Reply #4 - May 16th, 2022 at 12:00pm
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The reason for the bubble in the front sight is so that you can hold the REAR sight VERTICAL.   Shim the rear sight so that it is vertical when the  bubble is in the middle.  Easily done.   Cut some shims from a beer can.

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Re: Front sight insert choice
Reply #5 - May 16th, 2022 at 1:53pm
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+++ RG Chris advise 

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Reply #6 - May 16th, 2022 at 7:40pm
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rgchristensen wrote on May 16th, 2022 at 12:00pm:
The reason for the bubble in the front sight is so that you can hold the REAR sight VERTICAL.   Shim the rear sight so that it is vertical when the  bubble is in the middle.  Easily done.   Cut some shims from a beer can.

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Silly me, I squared the rear sight with the world.  Put a level on the rifle flat and shimmed the staff to match that.  Guess I better do it the other way.   
  
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Re: Front sight insert choice
Reply #7 - May 16th, 2022 at 8:39pm
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I found that as I got older I needed a heavier annular ring and a larger opening to shoot well. I'm now 75 and don't know much longer I can use the iron sights. I just got new glasses and I'll find out soon.
  
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Re: Front sight insert choice
Reply #8 - May 27th, 2022 at 12:59pm
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Experiment with different sizes until there is a brighter spot in the center.  When you are aiming the bull will appear sharper and darker when it is in the center.  Light conditions affect this so you may need to change inserts.
  
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Re: Front sight insert choice
Reply #9 - May 27th, 2022 at 11:34pm
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The rear sight needs to lean a fuzz left to compensate for the right-hand bullet twist. It may not be noticeable going from 100 to 200, but beyond you may run out of windage.  Undecided  Lots of lessons learned the hard way shooting to 1,000  Grin  I set my rear sights with the level bubble against the line on the level bubble.  That did not require away windage change moving out beyond 200.

Definitely want a white line around the bullseye.

Shooting offhand, relax, and let your bones support the rifle and your weight. The rifle does not have to be verticle.  I had to adjust the windage about 6 MOA to the right and about 1.5 MOA up because the rifle was not held vertically.
  

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