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Winchester 1885 in .25-35
Apr 30th, 2022 at 10:05pm
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Hi,

There are a few references in internet articles mentioning that the .25-35 was a popular Winchester 1885 chambering, but I think I've only ever seen 2 of them.   

Was this really a popular chambering? 

I've started to develop this idea that I would like a round barreled 1885 chambered for an early smokeless cartridge...   

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Chris.
  
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Re: Winchester 1885 in .25-35
Reply #1 - Apr 30th, 2022 at 10:23pm
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I think a 25-35 would be great, but I'm thinking 30-40 Krag for my next 1885 project.
  

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Reply #2 - Apr 30th, 2022 at 11:03pm
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I really enjoy my Martini Cadet in 25-35, so much so that I am building myself another. This one is on a 1885 Miroku and in the Ackley Improved version. Having the rifle and recently being gifted a Krieger 25 caliber 1-10 twist barrel I thought it was a good candidate. I don't plan on using the extra powder capacity to run up the velocity as my standard 25-35 seems capable of taking everything I hunt without a problem. The Ackley Improved cases have some advantages and look so nifty. Having had a set of 25-35 AI dies for several years and recently trading into another 100 25-35 cases it just seemed like a logical project. If things go as planned I will be fire forming cases next weekend.
  
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Reply #3 - May 1st, 2022 at 1:36am
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Split the difference; build a full length 25 Krag Improved.  The action is more than strong enough.

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Reply #4 - May 1st, 2022 at 10:16am
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I also think the .30-40 Krag or the .219 Zipper would be cool.  If I pick one up I'd want it to have an original barrel and stock.  I spent too long pondering a nice deal on a .30-40 recently and it sold before I decided.  Recently a .25-35 has popped up and other than a few minor details it's pretty original, that's why the .25-35 came up.  Smiley

Do you guys think this was a reasonably common chambering on the later production 1885's?  I know that Burt H. posted a survey he did of the 30 most common chamberings for 1885's produced after Winchester records are no longer available, and that cartridge didn't make the list.

A few sources say that it was common, but like I said, I've only ever seen 2 of them, and the one for sale is one of them.   

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Re: Winchester 1885 in .25-35
Reply #5 - May 1st, 2022 at 11:16am
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Chris:

The .25-20 Winchester was a more popular small varmint rifle of the day than the .25-35 Winchester.
People wishing to shoot heavier bullets went to the .30-30 introduced at the same time.

.25-35 Winchester:
- introduced 1895
- bullet diameter .257
- bullet weight 117 gn.
- barrel twist 1:8
- Max. Average Breech Pressure 44,230 psi
- Max. Horizontal Range 3,200 yds.
- Max. vertical range 7,200 ft.
- first small-bore sporting cartridge designed for smokeless

117 gn. JSP 2,230 fps 1,292 ft.-lbs.
  
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Reply #6 - May 1st, 2022 at 11:37am
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I at one time owned Two 1885 winchesters in original condition. Number 3 Round barrel, standard shotgun, pistol grip stock. One had wide spaced double set triggers. In 25-35. They both shot super at 200 yds with 100 Gr Sierra Spitzer
Flat based jacketed bullets. Never was able to shoot lead, tried a few times with no success. The twist in the Barrel looked like a Lead Screw Thread. I traded them away seperately for something I wanted more. I used 29 Grs (I think, Memory?) of 3031. Have regretted sending both of them down the road ever since. Nice to shoot, recoil was negligable. I think if I ever see another for sale I WILL buy it. 
HTH Regards FITZ OLD TUCK. Wink
  
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Reply #7 - May 1st, 2022 at 12:00pm
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Thanks fellows!

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Reply #8 - May 2nd, 2022 at 10:33am
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Chris, I'm not sure where I got these numbers, perhaps Bert Hartman, but this source says there were 64 model 1885's produced in 25-35.  Bob
  
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Re: Winchester 1885 in .25-35
Reply #9 - May 2nd, 2022 at 12:40pm
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Thanks Bob.  I've been spending a lot of time searching Bert's posts on the Winchester Collector forum.  They don't seem to have "stickies" for any of their surveys so it's a real pain trying to find info. 

I've just stopped looking this morning.  As far as I've been able to tell, Bert says there were at least 72 made.   The way I read it, there were 64 made up to serial #109999 ( last of the factory records ), and he has collected user submitted data for the later serial numbers which show that there were at least 8 more made after then. 

So I guess the line from Wikipedia that says " It was a popular round in the Winchester Model 1885 High Wall single-shot rifle."  is clearly wrong.   I've found that misleading sentence repeated on a number of sites all over the internet, which is why I was wondering this in the first place Smiley.

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Reply #10 - May 4th, 2022 at 8:28pm
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I have a Win. Hi-wall Schuetzen takedown with a No. 3 barrel in .25-35. I have never heard of another one. It is about to be shot.
  
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Reply #11 - May 5th, 2022 at 9:37am
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According to a letter written by Waddy Colvert of the Cody museum they only have records of 6, but their records only go up to 109, 000. I have 1  & it also is a higher #. I've have had it for 30+ yrs. There are 2 on the internet now. 1 fits the description of Old Tuck's.
  
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Reply #12 - May 5th, 2022 at 10:11am
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Well I spent too much time thinking about it and now someone else has bought that rifle Smiley.  They also have one in .219 Donaldson Wasp.  The stock looks nice, but not at all original.   

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Reply #13 - May 5th, 2022 at 5:58pm
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Does anyone happen to know what their barrels twist rates were? 
I am actually.quite surprised that is hasn't been used for breech seating Schuetzen benchrest competition or even for Offhand in the past. 
I have done 3 for friends in the past and including 1 for myself.
All having Douglas 10 twist barrels and it doesn't even take a back seat to the 32-40's, the 33-47's the 32 Miller Shorts and or basically anything else.  
What it lacks in bullet weight is more than made up by the time of flight to the 200 yard Targets and the amount of the wind drift effects. 
The bullets have all been the 120 grain Mos Spitzer and or copies of it.
  

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Reply #14 - May 5th, 2022 at 7:02pm
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John, from what I've read, the 1885's in .25-35 had a pretty quick 1:8 twist.  I imagine it was an anomaly when it came out.  The 1894's in the same cartridge were 1:10.

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Reply #15 - May 5th, 2022 at 7:10pm
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Thank you Chris and an 8 or 10 twist would be very competitive with that same Mos bullet. 
I was actually thinking it might have been to slow and why I had asked.
  

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Reply #16 - May 5th, 2022 at 8:24pm
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Gunlaker, sorry to hear that you missed out on that HW in .25/35. Keep looking, that rifle/cartridge combo is real fun to shoot but they are tough to find. 
Corresponding with Bert H he says...."
There were (64) rifles made in 25-35 WCF that can be lettered, and I have found (9) more thus far in the 110000 - 140000 serial number range.  That brings the total number verified to (73), and I suspect that there may be another dozen or so of them out there yet undiscovered."
After many years of searching I've only seen 2 of them out here in Oz as the .25/35 never really was a popular cartridge. 
Mine was a well used farm rifle with a "good" bore and a 26" barrel but I grabbed it as soon as I found it.  While it is a bit rough on the exterior it shoots really well with the 117 gr Hornady RN and even better with the 100 gr Sierra spitzer (under an inch at 100 yds with the Lyman 103 sight). Photo shows the first test fire group with a load I cobbled together. I haven't shot cast bullets with it yet but have found a RCBS 100 gr FNGC mould that I will test out. 
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Re: Winchester 1885 in .25-35
Reply #17 - May 5th, 2022 at 10:14pm
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John I originally expected it'd be slower too!   

Spud I guess I missed it by a day.  I put off having a look at it until I'd done a bunch of reading on it then it was too late.  I imagine that these rifles are part of an estate sale that was put on consignment at the local gun store.  There is one in .219 Donaldson Wasp, one in .40-82, and a nice low wall in .22LR.  Only the .40-82 is original as the others were restocked.  Very nicely done, but with wider forearms.

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Reply #18 - May 6th, 2022 at 1:41pm
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Spud on your target was the high shot possibly your first and a cold bore shot?
  

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Reply #19 - May 8th, 2022 at 4:56am
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Joe, I really can't remember if that flyer was the first shot, was possibly a sighter as that was the first group I shot with this rifle after cleaning the bore. It was real dirty and I gave it a good scrub with a bronze bush & solvent followed by the JB treatment. It finished up shiny with slightly worn rifling. I was surprised how well the rifle shot with minimal load development. I really like the 25/35 WCF as cartridge and it is ideally suited to the HW, great fun to shoot.
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Reply #20 - May 9th, 2022 at 4:28am
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I have a sporterized (or, bastardized; depends on your outlook) Borchardt Al Story built for a friend in 25-35.  It has the Borchardt factory double set trigger set.  I bought it and another he had in 6.5x57R.  He made me a deal on the two, so they came to live here.

If you shoot jacketed bullets, the cartridge would be super for Antelope or Whitetail, even black bear.

Good Luck!

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Re: Winchester 1885 in .25-35
Reply #21 - May 9th, 2022 at 8:31am
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Gunlaker, unless there's an inlaid metal accessory, forearms that are too wide for your tastes can be slimmed.

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Re: Winchester 1885 in .25-35
Reply #22 - Jun 4th, 2022 at 4:21pm
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I have had two.25-35 HW's, now only one.  Action is a take-down model with original engraving that letters.  Have not shot it.
  
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