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gunlaker Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2327 Location: lower mainland, B.C. Joined: Dec 13^th, 2010	Winchester 1885 in .25-35 Apr 30^th, 2022 at 10:05pm	Print Post
	Hi, There are a few references in internet articles mentioning that the .25-35 was a popular Winchester 1885 chambering, but I think I've only ever seen 2 of them. Was this really a popular chambering? I've started to develop this idea that I would like a round barreled 1885 chambered for an early smokeless cartridge... thanks, Chris.


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JerryH Frequent Elocutionist Offline ASSRA Member #10876 Posts: 1249 Location: Easton, CA Joined: Nov 9^th, 2014	Re: Winchester 1885 in .25-35 Reply #1 - Apr 30^th, 2022 at 10:23pm	Print Post
	I think a 25-35 would be great, but I'm thinking 30-40 Krag for my next 1885 project.

	I'm not a complete idiot, some of my parts are missing.
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singleshotsam Oldtimer Offline Posts: 559 Location: Silver City NM Joined: Jan 15^th, 2009	Re: Winchester 1885 in .25-35 Reply #2 - Apr 30^th, 2022 at 11:03pm	Print Post
	I really enjoy my Martini Cadet in 25-35, so much so that I am building myself another. This one is on a 1885 Miroku and in the Ackley Improved version. Having the rifle and recently being gifted a Krieger 25 caliber 1-10 twist barrel I thought it was a good candidate. I don't plan on using the extra powder capacity to run up the velocity as my standard 25-35 seems capable of taking everything I hunt without a problem. The Ackley Improved cases have some advantages and look so nifty. Having had a set of 25-35 AI dies for several years and recently trading into another 100 25-35 cases it just seemed like a logical project. If things go as planned I will be fire forming cases next weekend.


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ISS Oldtimer Offline Posts: 570 Joined: Feb 24^th, 2013	Re: Winchester 1885 in .25-35 Reply #3 - May 1^st, 2022 at 1:36am	Print Post
	Split the difference; build a full length 25 Krag Improved. The action is more than strong enough. Rich


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gunlaker Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2327 Location: lower mainland, B.C. Joined: Dec 13^th, 2010	Re: Winchester 1885 in .25-35 Reply #4 - May 1^st, 2022 at 10:16am	Print Post
	I also think the .30-40 Krag or the .219 Zipper would be cool. If I pick one up I'd want it to have an original barrel and stock. I spent too long pondering a nice deal on a .30-40 recently and it sold before I decided. Recently a .25-35 has popped up and other than a few minor details it's pretty original, that's why the .25-35 came up. . Do you guys think this was a reasonably common chambering on the later production 1885's? I know that Burt H. posted a survey he did of the 30 most common chamberings for 1885's produced after Winchester records are no longer available, and that cartridge didn't make the list. A few sources say that it was common, but like I said, I've only ever seen 2 of them, and the one for sale is one of them. Chris.


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Schuetzendave Frequent Elocutionist Offline Retired Ex-Shooter Posts: 4075 Location: St. Albert, Alberta Joined: Jan 28^th, 2005	Re: Winchester 1885 in .25-35 Reply #5 - May 1^st, 2022 at 11:16am	Print Post
	Chris: The .25-20 Winchester was a more popular small varmint rifle of the day than the .25-35 Winchester. People wishing to shoot heavier bullets went to the .30-30 introduced at the same time. .25-35 Winchester: - introduced 1895 - bullet diameter .257 - bullet weight 117 gn. - barrel twist 1:8 - Max. Average Breech Pressure 44,230 psi - Max. Horizontal Range 3,200 yds. - Max. vertical range 7,200 ft. - first small-bore sporting cartridge designed for smokeless 117 gn. JSP 2,230 fps 1,292 ft.-lbs.


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OLD TUCK Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 469 Location: Middleborough MA Joined: Oct 5^th, 2017	Re: Winchester 1885 in .25-35 Reply #6 - May 1^st, 2022 at 11:37am	Print Post
	I at one time owned Two 1885 winchesters in original condition. Number 3 Round barrel, standard shotgun, pistol grip stock. One had wide spaced double set triggers. In 25-35. They both shot super at 200 yds with 100 Gr Sierra Spitzer Flat based jacketed bullets. Never was able to shoot lead, tried a few times with no success. The twist in the Barrel looked like a Lead Screw Thread. I traded them away seperately for something I wanted more. I used 29 Grs (I think, Memory?) of 3031. Have regretted sending both of them down the road ever since. Nice to shoot, recoil was negligable. I think if I ever see another for sale I WILL buy it. HTH Regards FITZ OLD TUCK.


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gunlaker Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2327 Location: lower mainland, B.C. Joined: Dec 13^th, 2010	Re: Winchester 1885 in .25-35 Reply #7 - May 1^st, 2022 at 12:00pm	Print Post
	Thanks fellows! Chris.


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Old-Win Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1691 Location: Minnesota Joined: Nov 24^th, 2005	Re: Winchester 1885 in .25-35 Reply #8 - May 2^nd, 2022 at 10:33am	Print Post
	Chris, I'm not sure where I got these numbers, perhaps Bert Hartman, but this source says there were 64 model 1885's produced in 25-35. Bob


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gunlaker Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2327 Location: lower mainland, B.C. Joined: Dec 13^th, 2010	Re: Winchester 1885 in .25-35 Reply #9 - May 2^nd, 2022 at 12:40pm	Print Post
	Thanks Bob. I've been spending a lot of time searching Bert's posts on the Winchester Collector forum. They don't seem to have "stickies" for any of their surveys so it's a real pain trying to find info. I've just stopped looking this morning. As far as I've been able to tell, Bert says there were at least 72 made. The way I read it, there were 64 made up to serial #109999 ( last of the factory records ), and he has collected user submitted data for the later serial numbers which show that there were at least 8 more made after then. So I guess the line from Wikipedia that says " It was a popular round in the Winchester Model 1885 High Wall single-shot rifle." is clearly wrong. I've found that misleading sentence repeated on a number of sites all over the internet, which is why I was wondering this in the first place . Chris.


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TRowe Full Member Offline Posts: 178 Joined: Sep 4^th, 2017	Re: Winchester 1885 in .25-35 Reply #10 - May 4^th, 2022 at 8:28pm	Print Post
	I have a Win. Hi-wall Schuetzen takedown with a No. 3 barrel in .25-35. I have never heard of another one. It is about to be shot.


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jwdII Participating Member Offline ASSRA 3776 Posts: 41 Location: NE Wis. Joined: Sep 5^th, 2019	Re: Winchester 1885 in .25-35 Reply #11 - May 5^th, 2022 at 9:37am	Print Post
	According to a letter written by Waddy Colvert of the Cody museum they only have records of 6, but their records only go up to 109, 000. I have 1 & it also is a higher #. I've have had it for 30+ yrs. There are 2 on the internet now. 1 fits the description of Old Tuck's.


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gunlaker Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2327 Location: lower mainland, B.C. Joined: Dec 13^th, 2010	Re: Winchester 1885 in .25-35 Reply #12 - May 5^th, 2022 at 10:11am	Print Post
	Well I spent too much time thinking about it and now someone else has bought that rifle . They also have one in .219 Donaldson Wasp. The stock looks nice, but not at all original. Chris.


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JLouis Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 10625 Joined: Apr 8^th, 2009	Re: Winchester 1885 in .25-35 Reply #13 - May 5^th, 2022 at 5:58pm	Print Post
	Does anyone happen to know what their barrels twist rates were? I am actually.quite surprised that is hasn't been used for breech seating Schuetzen benchrest competition or even for Offhand in the past. I have done 3 for friends in the past and including 1 for myself. All having Douglas 10 twist barrels and it doesn't even take a back seat to the 32-40's, the 33-47's the 32 Miller Shorts and or basically anything else. What it lacks in bullet weight is more than made up by the time of flight to the 200 yard Targets and the amount of the wind drift effects. The bullets have all been the 120 grain Mos Spitzer and or copies of it.

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gunlaker Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2327 Location: lower mainland, B.C. Joined: Dec 13^th, 2010	Re: Winchester 1885 in .25-35 Reply #14 - May 5^th, 2022 at 7:02pm	Print Post
	John, from what I've read, the 1885's in .25-35 had a pretty quick 1:8 twist. I imagine it was an anomaly when it came out. The 1894's in the same cartridge were 1:10. Chris.


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