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CPA set trigger
Apr 13th, 2022 at 9:16am
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My set trigger seems hard to set,is there any adjustment. Once it is set it works fine,maybe they are all that way. My other rifle,Pedersoli seems very easy to set????   Thanks   AO3
  
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Reply #1 - Apr 13th, 2022 at 10:13am
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There is something that you can indeed adjust to make it easier for you to set. You have to remove the butt stock and loosen the flat spring that is putting the down ward pressure on the back trigger to your own liking. My own was the same way when I first got it as well. Just make sure it is where you like it before you replace anything that you might of had to remove to get to that springs attachment screw. Mine was so tight that it almost felt as if my trigger was going to break off.
  

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Reply #2 - Apr 13th, 2022 at 10:45am
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To correctly adjust the front set trigger back off the adjustment screw between the two of them. Now set the back back trigger and turn the adjustment screw back in and you can now see the front trigger starting to move back. Eventually it will set it off and then just back off the screw an 1/8 of a turn and see if it will still set. If not just back off the screw just a wee bit more until it does.
  

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Reply #3 - Apr 13th, 2022 at 1:45pm
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Thank you gentleman. I was like you,i thought i was going to break my set trigger when i set it. By your instructions, i made the adjustments and it works perfect.   Thanks again for the help        AO3
  
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Reply #4 - Apr 13th, 2022 at 2:42pm
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You are very welcome Sir!
I was just trying to be able to somehow help you out based on my own personal experience with having the same.
  

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Reply #5 - Apr 13th, 2022 at 3:03pm
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Might also add when I am doing the front trigger adjustments on my own particular CPA. 
I also have to put the hammer into half cock before the back trigger will actually set the front trigger for me to be able to do those adjustments as was described.
  

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Reply #6 - Apr 13th, 2022 at 4:26pm
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a03,
Your question today was well timed.  I recently acquired a CPA .22 RF for my wife to use and it had the same issue with the cocking trigger.  As John mentioned, I thought I'd be breaking it off!
We just had the CPA out yesterday and all was good except for the cocking trigger.  I have to give my wife credit as she soldiered on, but I could tell her struggling with the trigger made the outing less than pleasant.

John; your instructions were spot on.  Loosened the trigger spring and at the same time adjusted the main spring and trigger settings.  All works as it should now.
One suggestion: I had the main spring retaining screw on the CPA I use come loose once and couldn't fire the rifle. It was an easy fix once the stock was removed.  To eliminate that from happening again, I put a dab of Blue Loctite on the threads.  With the cocking trigger spring screw loosened to reduce the load, I was concerned this may happen with that fastener and likewise added a little Loctite dab to keep it in place.
Thanks to both of you!
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Reply #7 - Apr 13th, 2022 at 5:16pm
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You might try that on the mainspring tension adjusting screw also.
  
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Reply #8 - Apr 14th, 2022 at 10:07am
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I have also found there is an accuracy sweet spot when adjusting the hammer spring tension that you might also want to try doing. 
If memory serves me right I believe it is 40Rod who has also discovered the same thing.   
I personally believe it has to do ignition but I could also be wrong but I did find there was a big benefit in finding just where that spot was for my own CPA.
  

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Reply #9 - Apr 14th, 2022 at 3:42pm
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I made the adjustments to another CPA I have that had a stiff cocking trigger.  Got the adjustment made okay, but discovered if the hammer spring is at all tensioned with the adjustment screw, the set trigger won't release the hammer. 
There must be a relationship between how much tension is on the cocking trigger and the energy needed to trip the firing hammer?
At the moment, it's working and will set off a primer, but the hammer doesn't take much to cock it.
Always something   Tongue
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Reply #10 - Apr 14th, 2022 at 6:55pm
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Mike by chance does it also have a through bolt?
If not I have had the same type of problem in the past and I cured it by using two of the CPA flat springs on the sear block and the problem was solved. 
  

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Reply #11 - Apr 14th, 2022 at 10:03pm
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No thru bolt. I’ll take a look at the spring.
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Reply #12 - Apr 16th, 2022 at 10:13pm
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Just an FYI guys.  If you leave the screw loose you will risk the sear spring working off the side of the sear, probably rendering the gun unshootable because the sear will not engage the hammer consistently.  The top spring of the two is the sear spring.  I think a better solution would be one of two ways.  First, but would be my last resort, stone down the small bump on the spring where it engages the set trigger.  This would do the same thing as loosing the screw.  Second and better option, remove the springs and add shims under the bottom spring (but not under the full length of the spring, just the head end).  The lower spring is the set trigger spring.  These could be metal or paper, add until the pressure is just eased off, no more. Again, accomplishes the samething as loosening the screw.  There is a third method but it would involve annealing, bending, and reheat treating the spring.  Unless you are completely  familiar with this I would not try it.

4570mike, if the front retaining screw on your trigger assembly has screw head on one side of the frame and the thread end on the other then it has a through bolt.  The rear has to have a screw on each side of the frame.  What John is referring to is…that if the through bolt on some guns is too tight it can cause the sear to hang up or be sticky.  From my experience it usually cause problems with cocking because the sear will not or can not engage the hammer notch.

Yes, there is a balancing required on the trigger design.  As you found out, too light of a set trigger spring will not trip the sear hard enough to get it out of the hammer notch.  Too strong or made incorrectly can cause the sear to not engage the hammer because it puts pressure up on the sear and holding the sear out of the hammer notch.

This not a complicated trigger assembly, just have understand it and make minor adjustment so it work properly.
Good luck guys.
Bob
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Reply #13 - Apr 16th, 2022 at 11:27pm
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A photo that hopefully shows what I am saying.  This is an assembly I am making from scratch and is not balanced at this point. Wink

You can see the lower spring and how the top sear spring could, and is known too, slide off the side if the screw is loose.

The front through bolt holes verses the rear which can not pass through because internal parts are in the way.  If the sear is well fit in the trigger frame, then too tight of a front bolt puts a side load on the the sear causing it to hang up.  Cure...don't tighten the screw so tight.

Visible is the sear nose, front curved portion, that engages the hammer notch.  The top spring keeps down pressure on the rear of the sear, keeping the front in contact with the hammer for positive engagement when the hammer is cocked.

You can also see how the cocking or set trigger spring if putting too much downward force on the set trigger, or more likely made improperly, then the trigger arm will set too high holding the sear off the hammer.  Balancing keeps the trigger arm low enough and lets the sear float against the hammer but with enough tension to trip the sear, countering the hammer main spring tension holding the sear in place in the hammer,.....when intentionally fired.
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Re: CPA set trigger
Reply #14 - Apr 17th, 2022 at 4:50pm
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Thanks, Bob.  The photos and your description are very helpful.

The problem I am having , however, occurs when I cock the hammer, set the cocking trigger then pull the firing trigger.  The cocking trigger "snaps" but it does not release the hammer.  If I pull on the firing trigger, the hammer will fall, but the pressure required to do so seems to be excessive.

I see what was meant about the thru bolt (screw), but I haven't adjusted that at all.  Actually, I have done all the adjustments without removing the floor plate from the receiver.  I'm thinking maybe I should and see if something (dirt, etc) is causing the problem.  I bought this rifle used and I'm not sure if the innards are clean  Tongue

Onward..........

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